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  • stretchedout
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    #51
    Originally posted by BattlingNelson
    Because of his reluctancy to leave the US?
    The 2004 Olympics most certainly were not held in Oakland.

    So he fights at home at every opportunity, so what ?

    The fact that his team are smart enough and in a position to get him home fights in no way indicates that Ward is not capable of winning away from home. The Olympics proved that, plus he fought at Light Heavy, which is not his best weight right now.

    What result was even slightly affected by a hometown decision ?

    Maybe your position on Ward came about because he dished up your boy Kessler? I think that if nothing changed within the Super 6 except Kessler winning that fight, you could possibly even be a fan of Ward right about now?

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    • stretchedout
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      #52
      Originally posted by Skittlez
      People need to be cautious when judging how far a fighter can go.

      Let's not forget.. Mike Tyson in the mid-late 80's was projected to become a top 3 ATG HW. Maybe even the Goat.. During that time,, Lennox Lewis was still in the Olympics wearing a helmet and Holyfield was a CW recently moved up HW.

      Yet both Lewis and Holyfield ended up knocking out Mike and are both higher ranked than he is.

      Ward is the top dog now and looks unbeatable.. but who's to say he won't have a epic melt down?
      Im a huge Tyson fan, but you cant compare his mental game to Wards.

      Ward is about as composed under fire as you can get.

      I actually think that your prediction will be horribly wrong.

      Ward will dominate 168-175 for the next 3-4 years, hating on him is gonna be as painful as hating on Mayweather.

      He is the truth, you just cant see it. And it has been obvious for awhile now.

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      • Skittlez
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        #53
        Originally posted by stretchedout
        Im a huge Tyson fan, but you cant compare his mental game to Wards.

        Ward is about as composed under fire as you can get.

        I actually think that your prediction will be horribly wrong.

        Ward will dominate 168-175 for the next 3-4 years, hating on him is gonna be as painful as hating on Mayweather.

        He is the truth, you just cant see it. And it has been obvious for awhile now.

        People hate on Floyd because he's a ignorant annoying piece of trash.

        Nobody hates on Ward.. people's just trolling with that. Ward is a dignified gentleman and a well spoken very articulate champion. Floyd and Pac are mongs.

        Ward and Wladimir are what champions are suppose to be like in this era.


        In regards to .. 'dominating 168-175 for the next few years'

        I'm not saying that Ward is gonna melt down like Tyson, I'M SAYING that there could be a SMW-LHW Lennox Lewis or Holyfield on the horizon.. you just don't know.

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          #54
          Originally posted by stretchedout
          What result was even slightly affected by a hometown decision ?

          Maybe your position on Ward came about because he dished up your boy Kessler? I think that if nothing changed within the Super 6 except Kessler winning that fight, you could possibly even be a fan of Ward right about now?
          I am a Ward fan but objectively I think it would be difficult to be a fan if he headbutted your favorite fighter 5 times unpunished opening two gashes above his eyes and causing him double-vision in the longer term and the inability to see during the fight in the short-term.

          Following that hometown treatment his subsequent refusal travel despite being signed up to the Super 6 would only serve to rub salt in the wounds (no pun).

          Perspective.

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          • mathed
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            #55
            The Super 6 ruined Ward for me. I thought it was atrocious how every single other fighter in the tourney had to fight in another opponent's home field except Ward. Also, Ward got the added treat of fighting subpar fighters who weren't originally part of the Super 6 and he was dead set on not fighting Dirrell from the gitgo.

            I can't support a dude like that, props to him if his team has the power to do that for him but it's fabricated in my opinion.

            People say he has done tremendous things but he has at best 3 good wins in his career and the day will come when someone makes the fight too close for comfort and we will see that hometown cooking in effect. They don't fight so hard to get the bouts in his backyard because of the 10's of thousands of fans he brings in...it's a fail safe, nothing more.

            I wish him well on his recovery and what not but I don't hold him in such a high regard as others do apparently. Great fighter sure but I can see through the smoke screen.

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              #56
              Originally posted by mathed
              Also, Ward got the added treat of fighting subpar fighters who weren't originally part of the Super 6 and he was dead set on not fighting Dirrell from the gitgo.
              Wow. You have it all twisted. Ward fought Froch, Abraham, and Kessler and on top of that had to fight Sakio Bika and Allan Green.

              The only ones from the original Super 6 who he didn't fight were the subpar Jermaine Taylor and of course Andre Dirrell.....but it was Dirrell who dropped out of the tournament rather than fight him. Ward was ready to go.

              How the heck are you going to blame Ward for his opponent being the one who wouldn't fight him??

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                #57
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                Wow. You have it all twisted. Ward fought Froch, Abraham, and Kessler and on top of that had to fight Sakio Bika and Allan Green.

                The only ones from the original Super 6 who he didn't fight were the subpar Jermaine Taylor and of course Andre Dirrell.....but it was Dirrell who dropped out of the tournament rather than fight him. Ward was ready to go.

                How the heck are you going to blame Ward for his opponent being the one who wouldn't fight him??
                He fought Bika, who wasn't in the Super 6 to begin with....if Showtime thought he was good enough to be in it, he would have been there. Allan Green isn't much man, he has a bad habit of getting KO'd against people not from the "elite" Oklahoma circuit he is from.

                The both commented on how it would be difficult to fight each other as they were friends. Neither guy wanted to fight the other. Like I said, 3 quality wins and Kessler and Froch were his best two. AA doesn't even belong at SMW, I don't give any of the guys much credit for beating him...it's a win but AA is a MW, he is too small for 168.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by mathed
                  He fought Bika, who wasn't in the Super 6 to begin with....if Showtime thought he was good enough to be in it, he would have been there. Allan Green isn't much man, he has a bad habit of getting KO'd against people not from the "elite" Oklahoma circuit he is from.

                  The both commented on how it would be difficult to fight each other as they were friends. Neither guy wanted to fight the other. Like I said, 3 quality wins and Kessler and Froch were his best two. AA doesn't even belong at SMW, I don't give any of the guys much credit for beating him...it's a win but AA is a MW, he is too small for 168.
                  Don't see how he can be blamed for Dirrell not happening. he wasn't the one asking for more money and then pulling out because Dr. Shaw Hi ruled him unable to go on. Considering the awesome level of mismanagement in Dirrell's career, NO WAY Ward can get grief for that.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by mathed
                    He fought Bika, who wasn't in the Super 6 to begin with....if Showtime thought he was good enough to be in it, he would have been there.
                    Would you have been happier if he had fought Jermaine Taylor instead? Don't forget that Taylor had just gotten KOd by Abraham and people were concerned for his health. He had to leave the tournament too by the way. Again that was not Ward's fault.

                    I like most of your posts and think that you usually base your arguments on solid logic. But when it comes to Ward it seems that you let bias and emotion cloud your judgement for some reason.
                    Last edited by ShoulderRoll; 12-30-2012, 09:40 PM.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Skittlez
                      People hate on Floyd because he's a ignorant annoying piece of trash.

                      Nobody hates on Ward.. people's just trolling with that. Ward is a dignified gentleman and a well spoken very articulate champion. Floyd and Pac are mongs.

                      Ward and Wladimir are what champions are suppose to be like in this era.

                      In regards to .. 'dominating 168-175 for the next few years'

                      I'm not saying that Ward is gonna melt down like Tyson, I'M SAYING that there could be a SMW-LHW Lennox Lewis or Holyfield on the horizon.. you just don't know.
                      Good points.

                      Yep, people forget about the mental aspect of this game.

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