What is this hate on Felix Trinidad? Is he an ATG?

[BafanaBafana]

Here are some key points you left out;
- 15 consecutive WW title defenses
- Obba Carr and Campas were both undefeated fighters
- beat 3 gold medalist, Ried,DLH and Sweet Pea
- 3 division champion

Yes I think he deserves ATG status..

Campas had an inflated record, with 56 fights the Trinidad fight was his first title fight. He also got KO'd against every half decent opponent he ever fought.

Obba Carr fought nothing but D & E level opposition before fighting Trinidad and lost to every remotely competitive fighter he ever faced; he also NEVER won a titlebelt.

Reid won his titlebelt off a shot fighter and only had 14 fights as a pro when he faced Trinidad. The guy was never very successful as pro and he got KO's by Sam Hill (if you know who that is) only a year after the trinidad fight.

Pernell Whitaker was shot to pieces, hadn't fought in nearly two years and had tested positive for ******* in his fight prior to the Trinidad fight.

[ELHURACAN58]

Tito is an ATG and he earned it by fighting everyone available at his time.
Vargas, Oba, Mayorga, Joppy, Reid & Campas were NEVER the same boxers ever again after Tito beat each one of them. That alone makes him an ATG!

And who ever is saying he did not adjusted....just watch the Vargas fight and tell me if he never adjusted.

Fact is his losses was just that, he was not able to adjust to them 3 fighters.

The Jones Jr. fight shouldnt even be counted.

[onetwopunch]

Campas had an inflated record, with 56 fights the Trinidad fight was his first title fight. He also got KO'd against every half decent opponent he ever fought.

Obba Carr fought nothing but D & E level opposition before fighting Trinidad and lost to every remotely competitive fighter he ever faced; he also NEVER won a titlebelt.

Reid won his titlebelt off a shot fighter and only had 14 fights as a pro when he faced Trinidad. The guy was never very successful as pro and he got KO's by Sam Hill (if you know who that is) only a year after the trinidad fight.

Pernell Whitaker was shot to pieces, hadn't fought in nearly two years and had tested positive for ******* in his fight prior to the Trinidad fight.

But wait..your missing something that is very obvious..Campas was 56-0..who gave him his first loss?..Tito was that devastating that fighters were never the same after. Same goes for Obba Carr..never the same after Tito, Ried was suppose to be the next Roy Jones man..the american dream..to bad he fought Tito..cause he was never the same after that, Tito gave Sweet Pea his 1st official loss in my book. Yes Sweet Pea was coked out and all we all know that...but it was still his 1st real loss cause he got robbed againts Chavez and robbed againts DLH..

[BafanaBafana]

But wait..your missing something that is very obvious..Campas was 56-0..who gave him his first loss?..Tito was that devastating that fighters were never the same after. Same goes for Obba Carr..never the same after Tito, Ried was suppose to be the next Roy Jones man..the american dream..to bad he fought Tito..cause he was never the same after that, Tito gave Sweet Pea his 1st official loss in my book. Yes Sweet Pea was coked out and all we all know that...but it was still his 1st real loss cause he got robbed againts Chavez and robbed againts DLH..

Maybe the guys had potential, maybe they didn't but their resume in terms of quality doesn't merit them being listed among Trinidad's best wins.

Tito's best wins were: Oscar, Vargas, Joppy, and Mayorga because they were all live, tested opponents at the time Tito fought them.

[onetwopunch]

Maybe the guys had potential, maybe they didn't but their resume in terms of quality doesn't merit them being listed among Trinidad's best wins.

Tito's best wins were: Oscar, Vargas, Joppy, and Mayorga because they were all live, tested opponents at the time Tito fought them.

All live tested opponents?..Joppy was just a big solid middle weight, I would rank Campas and Obba Carr above him as far as quality opponents is concerned. Obba Carr went 12 rounds with Quartey..and was looking pretty good againts DLH..but again this was all after they had lost to Tito. Did you grow up watching boxing in the 90's?..did you see DLH/Quartey/Tito/Shane all in there prime?..or did you just go back and google this stuff?..becuase if you did you would know that Obba Carr and Campas were both top WW's at the time.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I'm certain you didn't go to school at all. I'm 100 percent sure you're not as educated as I am. I would bet my life on that. Aside from your repetitive and often redundant racist post, you have the grammar of a five year old.

"I got further in school than you." LOL Dumbass. You contribute nothing here other than your "if they were African American" agenda.


Back on topic, Delahoya put on his skirt and roller skates the last four rounds against Trinidad. If he had been anything other than Mexican-American you would have called him a coward. It is what it is.

Trinidad is an ATG and he made Delahoya look like a ballerina rounds 9-12. Deal with it.

I'm 100% sure I did and I would bet my life on it as well. Unless you have a Master's degree which I doubt.

Racist? I love how people like you like to play the victim. Hello you're a fan of a racist yourself...Floyd Mayweather. LOL @ your double standards.
You really want to criticize my grammar?

DLH ran like a ***** and I can be the first to tell you that. What do you mean by deal with it? When have I denied it? Show me!

[BafanaBafana]

All live tested opponents?..Joppy was just a big solid middle weight, I would rank Campas and Obba Carr above him as far as quality opponents is concerned. Obba Carr went 12 rounds with Quartey..and was looking pretty good againts DLH..but again this was all after they had lost to Tito. Did you grow up watching boxing in the 90's?..did you see DLH/Quartey/Tito/Shane all in there prime?..or did you just go back and google this stuff?..becuase if you did you would know that Obba Carr and Campas were both top WW's at the time.

Why would you rank a guy (Carr) who never won a title so highly? So apparently his greatest achievement is losing a competitive fight to Quartey and getting KO'd by DLH.

Campas fought a (15-16) guy just before fighting Trinidad. His resume pre-Trinidad is riddled with guys with losing records and every time he tried to step up he got KO'd.

[onetwopunch]

Why would you rank a guy (Carr) who never won a title so highly? So apparently his greatest achievement is losing a competitive fight to Quartey and getting KO'd by DLH.

Campas fought a (15-16) guy just before fighting Trinidad. His resume pre-Trinidad is riddled with guys with losing records and every time he tried to step up he got KO'd.

I didnt rate them, they were rated top 5 WW's in the early 90s'..along with Maurice Blocker..Now the reason why I would rank them higher is because there level of competion..remmember you had Whitacker, Quartey, Page and Lopez which were all very good fighters, at least Carr I would rank higher, Campas..i might just be going by the fact that he was 56-0 thats nothing to sneeze at even if your fighting tomatoe cans. But the bottom line is that Tito was an ATG.

[joseph5620]

I'm 100% sure I did and I would bet my life on it as well. Unless you have a Master's degree which I doubt.
Racist? I love how people like you like to play the victim. Hello you're a fan of a racist yourself...Floyd Mayweather. LOL @ your double standards.
You really want to criticize my grammar?

DLH ran like a ***** and I can be the first to tell you that. What do you mean by deal with it? When have I denied it? Show me!

You would lose your life lol. You can bet on that. Don't do it it . Like I said, every time you post there is a predictable reference to "African American fighters" Black people." Most people here know you're dumb, so this is no revelation and I can't take credit for pointing it out. Yes, I talk about your grammar because I assumed you were an adult and expected you to talk like one.You wouldn't pass the most rudimentary English courses available in college. So stop lying about your so called education.


You're only admitting to Oscar running because I forced you to do it. Your asinine comments claiming Oscar would be rated higher if he was black (a lie) is all I need to show you. Comparing Trinidad's wraps to Margarito's plaster(another lie). Those comments are an example of your delusions, ignorance, and your comical racism.

Carry on. I'm sure there's a Mayweather thread waiting for you.

[Puya]

Canelo would batter Trinidad. I didn't say he was better in a sense of greatness and legacy. I said more well rounded. I'm not on the Canelo bandwagon by a long shot but some **** is too obvious.

Wasn't much out there at the time. Joppy is a dime a dozen fighter in my book. In every weight class there are 8 to 10 Joppy's. I can't remember anything outside him beating Duran that would have given him any lime light. I'll let y'all throw sugar on **** to pump ya boy Trinidad up.

I'll take your insults with a grain of salt because its clear you don't have anything useful to add. PR baby. I dig your loyalty chump.

Actual Canelo would get beat by prime Oscar, Vargas, Winky, P-Williams. And of course Trinidad