What is this hate on Felix Trinidad? Is he an ATG?

[onetwopunch]

Maybe not but he was well above average.


What Canelo did to Mosley was absolutely brutal to watch. What fight did you see? Don't misunderstand me. I'm no fan of Canelo but I can't deny the fact that he's been working on his game and it shows. I don't hate Tito but the truth is he never adjusted to anything. That's why technicians gave him fits.

What Canelo did to Mosely was disgusting and should of never happened, let alone at 154. I watched it and was amazed at how Shane lasted 12rds with a young strong guy like Canelo..but when it was all said and done..I was convinced that Canelo is a hype job. Im not arguing that fact that Tito never adjusted..cause he only knew how to fight 1 way..but he did it so well and his stamina and power were so great that it made him an ATG in my opinion..just like other power punchers in history which I consider ATG and only knew how to fight 1 way.

[studentofthegam]

1. Vargas' power was above average at best. He stopped opponents by accumulation and never seriously hurt any top fighter.

2. Tito in his prime adjusted very, very well. Not sure where you're getting your info from but it couldn't be further from the truth. Heck, Trinidad-Vargas was as much a war as it was a tactical battle where Trinidad was forced to adjust on a couple occasions. But, Tito's ability to adjust was evident at welter, in fights like his one against Oba Carr who, in his prime, was a pretty good boxer.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. He did have a decent jab and that's where it ends. One thing positive I can say is that the mu***a was tough as nails and that counts for something. But he doesn't make in fight adjustments, he weathers storms well while waiting to land one big one. Carr was a good win tho. There was nothing much tactical about the Vargas fight. He did what he always does and Vargas fought like Tito wanted him to fight. When he got to guys who went at their own pace like Oscar and Bhop he looked lost. I don't wanna hear about him moving up in weight. If y'all are gonna argue me down about how sturdy Joppy was then you can't argue that he was a blown up WW. Any ass whoo pins he took should be considered fair and square.

[IMDAZED]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. He did have a decent jab and that's where it ends. One thing positive I can say is that the mu***a was tough as nails and that counts for something. But he doesn't make in fight adjustments, he weathers storms well while waiting to land one big one. Carr was a good win tho. There was nothing much tactical about the Vargas fight. He did what he always does and Vargas fought like Tito wanted him to fight. When he got to guys who went at their own pace like Oscar and Bhop he looked lost. I don't wanna hear about him moving up in weight. If y'all are gonna argue me down about how sturdy Joppy was then you can't argue that he was a blown up WW. Any ass whoo pins he took should be considered fair and square.

Yeah, a decent jab to go along with an excellent right and one hell of a left hook. And there were plenty of adjustments during his welter career--it's why he often would get up from a KD and never even get touched with that punch again. In the Vargas fight, he made a lot of subtle adjustments as Vargas took over. He basically hid his left hook and, during the few times he fired it in the middle rounds, often led with it, using the right hand as his punch of choice. Vargas had all but forgotten about the counter lefts by the time the championship rounds rolled around and that's when Tito re-introduced him to it.

[Joeyzagz]

If whitaker is, you gotta put Trinidad there as well.

[studentofthegam]

If whitaker is, you gotta put Trinidad there as well.

Ehh. I ain't got the time for that convo. To each his own.

[whitealltrac]

Tito....

Tito is an ATG and he earned it by fighting everyone available at his time.
Vargas, Oba, Mayorga, Joppy, Reid & Campas were NEVER the same boxers ever again after Tito beat each one of them. That alone makes him an ATG!

And who ever is saying he did not adjusted....just watch the Vargas fight and tell me if he never adjusted.

Fact is his losses was just that, he was not able to adjust to them 3 fighters.

[joseph5620]

Why would I call one a running coward? Oscar actually fought most of the time unlike the "sweet science" boring shitbags we have out there. Another FYI I like a lot of black boxers, and some are in my top 10 ATG favorites. Fail.
Trinidad did something illegal and I don't always talk shit about that. A lot of the times I'm actually praising Trinidad, even if he was black he would of been exciting cause he actually fought.

When have I denied Margarito TRIED to cheat? TY very much!

I'm pretty sure I got further than you in school so just cause I said something you don't like doesn't make me a dumb person.

I'm certain you didn't go to school at all. I'm 100 percent sure you're not as educated as I am. I would bet my life on that. Aside from your repetitive and often redundant racist post, you have the grammar of a five year old.

"I got further in school than you." LOL Dumbass. You contribute nothing here other than your "if they were African American" agenda.


Back on topic, Delahoya put on his skirt and roller skates the last four rounds against Trinidad. If he had been anything other than Mexican-American you would have called him a coward. It is what it is.

Trinidad is an ATG and he made Delahoya look like a ballerina rounds 9-12. Deal with it.

[onetwopunch]

Why would I call one a running coward? Oscar actually fought most of the time unlike the "sweet science" boring shitbags we have out there. Another FYI I like a lot of black boxers, and some are in my top 10 ATG favorites. Fail.
Trinidad did something illegal and I don't always talk shit about that. A lot of the times I'm actually praising Trinidad, even if he was black he would of been exciting cause he actually fought.

When have I denied Margarito TRIED to cheat? TY very much!

I'm pretty sure I got further than you in school so just cause I said something you don't like doesn't make me a dumb person.

Are you aware that if the fight with Hopkins would of taken place any other place other than NY state, the whole wrap controversy would of never happened?..So its not fair to say that Tito was doing something illegal.., its not like Margarito..not even close.

[BafanaBafana]

Well he won the IBF title at welterweight and then unified with De La Hoya's WBC title to become the lineal welterweight champion in a fight most call a robbery. Later fought and stopped Fernando Vargas to unify the WBA and IBF titles at Light Middleweight. Then moved up to middleweight where he beat Joppy for a title and then was stopped by Hopkins. Later lost to Winky Wright bout in a middleweight and came back three years later to lose an inconsequential fight.

I would say his best wins are:
Oscar De La Hoya 147 (most say it was a robbery)
Fernando Vargas at 154
William Joppy at 160
Mayorga at 160


His meaningful losses:
Hopkins 160
Wright 160


147: WBC, IBF, Lineal (albeit Oscar robbery)
154: WBA, IBF
160: WBA



I don't know, you tell me if that merits ATG status...

[onetwopunch]

Well he won the IBF title at welterweight and then unified with De La Hoya's WBC title to become the lineal welterweight champion in a fight most call a robbery. Later fought and stopped Fernando Vargas to unify the WBA and IBF titles at Light Middleweight. Then moved up to middleweight where he beat Joppy for a title and then was stopped by Hopkins. Later lost to Winky Wright bout in a middleweight and came back three years later to lose an inconsequential fight.

I would say his best wins are:
Oscar De La Hoya 147 (most say it was a robbery)
Fernando Vargas at 154


William Joppy at 160
Mayorga at 160


His meaningful losses:
Hopkins 160
Wright 160


147: WBC, IBF, Lineal (albeit Oscar robbery)
154: WBA, IBF
160: WBA



I don't know, you tell me if that merits ATG status...

Here are some key points you left out;
- 15 consecutive WW title defenses
- Obba Carr and Campas were both undefeated fighters
- beat 3 gold medalist, Ried,DLH and Sweet Pea
- 3 division champion

Yes I think he deserves ATG status..