How is Canelo a better fight RIGHT NOW than Guerrero???

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  • Oh you out son
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    #101
    Canelo is a huge threat to Mayweather, and I would pick him to win, and if Floyd were to win he would have to fight the fight of his life and come back from being hurt like he never has before. If Cotto was as competitive with Floyd as he was, being slow at the weight too (look at the Trout fight), imagine what a young hungry skilled kid like Canelo could do who is stronger, faster and supremely confident. Guerrero will never be able to beat Floyd, he is too slow and not powerful enough to worry him, and it will be boring and ugly once Guerrero realizes his boxing won't do him any good he will try to smother Floyd in close.

    Lets compare Canelo and Guerrero: (note* I am not a fan of either guy, so I am being unbiased judging based on what I have seen from them in the ring in their most recent performances).

    Power = Canelo (by huge margin)
    Speed = Canelo (by quite a big margin as well, Ghost was pretty quick at 130 and 135 but not at 147, he is slow)
    Combinations = Canelo (throws great variety, body and head, very dangerous)
    Boxing skill = Canelo
    Ring IQ = Canelo (looks super calm in there, almost like James Toney)
    Strength and Conditioning = Canelo (look at his body, he is younger and more physically gifted)
    Chin = Hard to say, I will go even, maybe slight to Guerrero
    Heart = Can't tell this yet either (Guerrero has shown heart, Canelo hasn't had to yet)
    Excitement = Canelo by far. Don't you want to see exciting fights? That is why I watch boxing I don't know about you. I don't care if he hasn't proven himself yet by beating a top guy at 154. He doesn't need to, Floyd is not even a 154 lb fighter.

    I would be surprised if Floyd fights Canelo. If he does, respect. If he wins, he gets full credit.

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    • Frank Ducketts
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      #102
      Originally posted by Oh you out son
      Canelo is a huge threat to Mayweather, and I would pick him to win, and if Floyd were to win he would have to fight the fight of his life and come back from being hurt like he never has before. If Cotto was as competitive with Floyd as he was, being slow at the weight too (look at the Trout fight), imagine what a young hungry skilled kid like Canelo could do who is stronger, faster and supremely confident. Guerrero will never be able to beat Floyd, he is too slow and not powerful enough to worry him, and it will be boring and ugly once Guerrero realizes his boxing won't do him any good he will try to smother Floyd in close.

      Lets compare Canelo and Guerrero: (note* I am not a fan of either guy, so I am being unbiased judging based on what I have seen from them in the ring in their most recent performances).

      Power = Canelo (by huge margin)
      Speed = Canelo (by quite a big margin as well, Ghost was pretty quick at 130 and 135 but not at 147, he is slow)
      Combinations = Canelo (throws great variety, body and head, very dangerous)
      Boxing skill = Canelo
      Ring IQ = Canelo (looks super calm in there, almost like James Toney)
      Strength and Conditioning = Canelo (look at his body, he is younger and more physically gifted)
      Chin = Hard to say, I will go even, maybe slight to Guerrero
      Heart = Can't tell this yet either (Guerrero has shown heart, Canelo hasn't had to yet)
      Excitement = Canelo by far. Don't you want to see exciting fights? That is why I watch boxing I don't know about you. I don't care if he hasn't proven himself yet by beating a top guy at 154. He doesn't need to, Floyd is not even a 154 lb fighter.

      I would be surprised if Floyd fights Canelo. If he does, respect. If he wins, he gets full credit.
      Good post. While I favor Canelo as being a tougher fight for Floyd than Guerrero, neither can beat Floyd.

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        #103
        Originally posted by Frank Ducketts
        Good post. While I favor Canelo as being a tougher fight for Floyd than Guerrero, neither can beat Floyd.
        You could be right, Floyd's skill going backwards could be enough to hold Canelo off, but I think Canelo would get his too. It is a very intriguing fight, I would much prefer this to Guerrero. Lets just say I have/will never bet against Mayweather at 150 or below.

        For me its Pacquiao, then Canelo, Floyd is not fighting a top p4p middleweight (sexy sergio)- not a duck either, that would just be ******.

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          #104
          Originally posted by 4Corners
          Not that I'm super hyped for Guerrero or in love with this fight, but it's far better right now than Canelo. Guerrero has at least beaten Casamayor and Katsidis at 135, as well as 2 top 10 WW's in Aydin and Berto. Who has Canelo beaten???

          I don't want to see Floyd-Canelo until Canelo beats a Trout, Molina, Lara/Vanes, or even a Kirkland or Angulo at least. He needs to get a legit win first.

          I mean Floyd-Guerrero doesn't really do anything for Floyd at the moment, other than it's a solid win over top ranked WW. It's a legit fight, against a top ranked fighter, just not a huge fight. Let Canelo beat Trout, than Floyd-Canelo will be a huge fight to make and a legit one finally.

          If anyone else fought the #3 ranked fighter in their weight class, it'd be seen as legit. But because it's Mayweather, it's supposedly not a legit fight.

          These were Floyd's 2 realistic options for May, and Guerrero has done more and won some legit fights. He deserves the fight.
          HAHAAHAHAHAHHA!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!

          Does anyone actually think Guerrero would have a chance in hell of beating Canello?

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          • !! Shawn
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            #105
            Originally posted by Frank Ducketts
            I don't care about weight. We have weight classe for that. You make weight, you make weight. I'm more concerned with even matchups. Don't match a Gatti R.I.P with a Gamache.

            The Lopez fight shouldn't have been made, but Lopez beat Ortiz, and he wanted the fight knowing that he himself might be too small. Whose fault is that? Guerrero moved up in weight and earned a shot at Floyd's title after a year off I believe, and before that he beat a shot Katsidis for an interim lw title. Who the **** had Aydin or Guerrero beat at ww before they fought each other for Floyds title? Don't talk about who is deserving and who isn't. Those two skipped out of facing a top guy strictly on name and style which happens in boxing from time to time. I don't even mind at times if the division is dead.

            The age of fighters is just criticism. Canelo is 22, and a champion. Each fight is a learning experience. We will know if he's being moved at a snails past, or a protective pace. What makes Guerrero more deserving than Canelo can be asked also. I'll accept either fight. Just don't tell me that one is more deserving than the other. Cases can be made for both guys.
            Beating Andre freaking Berto is not earning a shot at Floyd Mayweather.

            How long has it been since Andre Berto was relevant? Seriously... How long?

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              #106
              Originally posted by Frank Ducketts
              I don't care about weight. We have weight classe for that. You make weight, you make weight. I'm more concerned with even matchups. Don't match a Gatti R.I.P with a Gamache.

              The Lopez fight shouldn't have been made, but Lopez beat Ortiz, and he wanted the fight knowing that he himself might be too small. Whose fault is that? Guerrero moved up in weight and earned a shot at Floyd's title after a year off I believe, and before that he beat a shot Katsidis for an interim lw title. Who the **** had Aydin or Guerrero beat at ww before they fought each other for Floyds title? Don't talk about who is deserving and who isn't. Those two skipped out of facing a top guy strictly on name and style which happens in boxing from time to time. I don't even mind at times if the division is dead.

              The age of fighters is just criticism. Canelo is 22, and a champion. Each fight is a learning experience. We will know if he's being moved at a snails past, or a protective pace. What makes Guerrero more deserving than Canelo can be asked also. I'll accept either fight. Just don't tell me that one is more deserving than the other. Cases can be made for both guys.
              It used to be same day weigh-ins and I think the IBF's policy of a rehydration limit makes sense (you can't be more than 10 pounds above the weight class on fight night). I'm not saying weight is the end-all-be-all, but keep that in mind when Canelo pounds a way at an older fighter who is not a natural LMW to begin with.

              Canelo or GBP did not have to offer Lopez the fight. I'm sure there are a number of smaller guys who want to fight Canelo just because there is a lot of money to be had.

              Guerrero skipped out on facing a top guy? Aydin was considered the #1 WBC contender, was solid at the weight, was undefeated, and Guerrero was going up two weight classes. Berto was also considered a top 5 WW. Many people thought Guerrero wouldn't be able to handle Berto's power and would lose as a result. I also thought Bradley didn't want the fight with Guerrero or it didn't work out due to the promoting dispute, so who else did you want him to fight at WW?

              Katsidis was still performing relatively well before his TKO loss to Marquez. Guerrero faced him right after that and peformed very well just as he did against Casamayor and Escobedo. I'm not saying those are the most impressive performances, but still very respectable. Couple that with his WW performances then you have someone who has earned his way to the fight in my book.


              It could very well be that Bradley is more deserving, but he is with Top Rank , so it was unlikely from the start since Floyd works with GBP closely.
              Last edited by RapidFire26; 12-22-2012, 02:37 AM.

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                #107
                Originally posted by !! Shawn
                HAHAAHAHAHAHHA!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!

                Does anyone actually think Guerrero would have a chance in hell of beating Canello?
                No which is why their a weight class apart.
                Originally posted by !! Shawn
                Beating Andre freaking Berto is not earning a shot at Floyd Mayweather.

                How long has it been since Andre Berto was relevant? Seriously... How long?
                And when did Canelo earn his shot?

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                • BennyST
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                  #108
                  Originally posted by Reloaded
                  Basically because the haters see in there head Canelo can beat Floyd but Guerrero cant , they dont care who it is they just want Floyd beat .

                  But when he fights Canelo then they will saying he is ducking Martinez , if he was to fight Sergio then they would be saying Floyd is ducking Ward .

                  See any pattern ?
                  That's kind of obvious. It's also the entire point of sport though and what makes boxing exciting.

                  I don't just want to see Floyd beat at all. But, I do want to see him take fights that you don't already know the outcome of.

                  Why would you or anyone want to see a fight between Floyd and someone you know he can't lose to? What's the point? Great, he wins another fight against a guy we already knew he was going to beat. Awesome.....

                  I want to see fighters, any and all fighters, in fights that aren't predetermined, easy wins. How very boring. It kills any ounce of excitement that might otherwise be there.

                  The reason I want to see Floyd fight Canelo over Guerrero is that I know Floyd will beat Guerrero. I'm not really certain that Floyd could beat Canelo though. I think he will, but I'm not really sure like I am with Guerrero. That's what makes it exciting.

                  Would you honestly prefer to see a fight that you know the outcome of already or would rather see a fight in which you can't pick the winner? Any and every fan should immediately answer for the latter.

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                    #109
                    Originally posted by BennyST
                    That's kind of obvious. It's also the entire point of sport though and what makes boxing exciting.

                    I don't just want to see Floyd beat at all. But, I do want to see him take fights that you don't already know the outcome of.

                    Why would you or anyone want to see a fight between Floyd and someone you know he can't lose to? What's the point? Great, he wins another fight against a guy we already knew he was going to beat. Awesome.....

                    I want to see fighters, any and all fighters, in fights that aren't predetermined, easy wins. How very boring. It kills any ounce of excitement that might otherwise be there.

                    The reason I want to see Floyd fight Canelo over Guerrero is that I know Floyd will beat Guerrero. I'm not really certain that Floyd could beat Canelo though. I think he will, but I'm not really sure like I am with Guerrero. That's what makes it exciting.

                    Would you honestly prefer to see a fight that you know the outcome of already or would rather see a fight in which you can't pick the winner? Any and every fan should immediately answer for the latter.
                    I think they both have about as much chance as each other.

                    Guererro is a better fighter than Canelo IMO.

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by Bushbaby
                      You think ginger is faster & smarter than the Ghost?? And a better boxer?? How the hell did you come to that conclusion??
                      Because Ive seen both of them fight and I drew the conclusion. It didn't rack my brain it wasn't hard to see. Its not rocket science. Now Im not in the cry baby crowd when it comes to this fight I dont know why people are crying anyway the damn guy has 2 dates and we know what 2 fighters will fill them. So people are just arguing just to be arguing.

                      RG is not a better boxer than Canelo.

                      RG is not faster than Canelo.

                      RG does not hit harder than Canelo.

                      RG is not stronger than Canelo.

                      RG is not a legit 154 pounder.



                      Just calling it like I see it. I have no idea where the myth that RG is some amazing highly skilled boxer came from. Accuracy, speed, smarts, patience, meh gimme Canelo. Sorry.


                      Floyd is going to wipe his ass with Guerrero and barely break a sweat doing it. Canelo is the much tougher fight. And save the "but but but who has Canelo beaten" who the **** has RG beaten Aydin and Berto? Stop it.

                      Styles makes fights not resumes. Canelo is the tougher fight by far.

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