greater modern mexican fighter, morales or marquez???????????

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  • kadyo's
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    #11
    Originally posted by Tha_Greatest
    My pick is morales, lol, this is why.............................................





    if erik morales ended his career after the 1st pacquiao fight with a career record of 48 and 2(only 2 losses 2 barrera but 1 win for erik vs barrera)

    how great would he be remembered, would he woulda wound up as the greatest mexican fighter of all time, knowing hes beaten every fighter hes faced at least one time and hes only lost to 1 fighter in a really close fight twice(barrera)

    morales resume woulda been crazy(48-2 arguably 50 and 0 if not from close decision)

    wins over...................

    zaragoza
    j.jones
    espadas(twice)
    hernandez
    ayala
    j.chavez
    k.kelley
    mc collough
    chi
    ramirez
    barrera
    pacquiao

    would he been considered the greatest mexican boxer of all time considering hes a 3 weight division world champ and last fighter to have beaten pacquiao in boxing at 48 and 2



    i personally think he was the greatest mexican fighter ever but everyone disagrees and i think if he ended his career after the pacquiao fight, i think morales woulda been easily in the top 15 greatest fighters of all time


    what do people think about morales, the most exciting fighter arguably in boxing history, the type of fighter who fights for the fans


    el terrible
    after his prime, morales still did something even though he wasnt as great as he once was...........................
    morales should be a 5 division champ, got robbed vs diaz(only 4 division)


    vote, there is a poll, multy picks
    Hey tha, you presented only one side of the issue.

    I used to think it was eric but juan manuel hasn't stop scaling the highest mountains of greatness yet. Look what he just did.

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    • mdportorock3
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      #12
      Originally posted by CHOWWOKKA
      Marquez because Morales cheated.














      Couldn't agree more. Marquez for sure. erik is a clen using cheater.

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      • LeG00N
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        #13
        If we take Pacquiao out of the picture, Morales's resume is a tad better than Marquez's. Although I do consider Marquez a better more complete fighter, specially in his prime.

        If we put Pacquiao back into the picture. Marquez going up in weight at almost 40 to knock out his arch rival who was consider the #1 or #2 P4P and ATG is a better achievement than not only anything Morales has done but it would be hard for any Mexican fighter to match it.

        We need to take some factors into consideration like the fact that Morales built 90% of his career in his 20's as oppose to Marquez who built his entire career in his 30's. Infact he fought Pacquiao for the first time in his 30's. He became champ for the first time the same year he turned 30.

        After he turned 30 was he won titles in 4 weight classes not including WW.
        After he turned 30 he fought for the Ring/Lineal Championship 3 times and became the oldest Lightweight champion in history. While unifying in multiple weight classes


        when we step back and realize what he was doing when the majority of other fighters were going down hill or were shot like Barrera, Morales and most other fighters it does speak to how great Marquez really is.

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        • BennyST
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          #14
          Well, there a million boxers who, if they retired at the perfect time, would be considered greater than they are. It rarely ever happens though and using possible scenarios and comparing those to current scenarios doesn't really work. Morales did lose to Raheem badly between Pac fights and did lose to Diaz at 135, just like people will bring up the loss against Mayweather and Pac for Marquez.

          Anyway, as it stands right now, I'd have to go with Marquez by a shade.

          A lot of people like to say Marquez' resume isn't as good as Morales' but its easily as good now and has always been more solid, even before the Pac win, than most give him credit for.

          He's the oldest lineal lightweight champion in history, a fact I only recently found out. That is impressive. He should have just won the WBO 147 title off Pac and been a legitimate 4 division champ, the first true 4 division Mexican champ ever...rather than been literally given a title. But that didn't happen. Either way, Morales' two bests wins, Pac and Barrera, are also on Marquez' resume.

          After that, it's pick and choose. 40 year old champ Zaragoza or 37 year lineal champ Casamayor? Unified champ Diaz or Barrera beater Jones? Old Ayala or prime Salido? Peden or Jesus Chavez? On and on....

          I've gotta go with Marquez.
          Last edited by BennyST; 12-18-2012, 10:08 AM.

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          • bojangles1987
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            #15
            I'd still say Morales is greater.

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            • boliodogs
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              #16
              Marquez is much older than him and still much better. I have seen lots of both of them and seen their record and I voted for Marquez.

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              • GoldSugar
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                #17
                Morales his resume is deeper

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                • SplitSecond
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by MANIAC310
                  If we take Pacquiao out of the picture, Morales's resume is a tad better than Marquez's. Although I do consider Marquez a better more complete fighter, specially in his prime.

                  If we put Pacquiao back into the picture. Marquez going up in weight at almost 40 to knock out his arch rival who was consider the #1 or #2 P4P and ATG is a better achievement than not only anything Morales has done but it would be hard for any Mexican fighter to match it.

                  We need to take some factors into consideration like the fact that Morales built 90% of his career in his 20's as oppose to Marquez who built his entire career in his 30's. Infact he fought Pacquiao for the first time in his 30's. He became champ for the first time the same year he turned 30.

                  After he turned 30 was he won titles in 4 weight classes not including WW.
                  After he turned 30 he fought for the Ring/Lineal Championship 3 times and became the oldest Lightweight champion in history. While unifying in multiple weight classes


                  when we step back and realize what he was doing when the majority of other fighters were going down hill or were shot like Barrera, Morales and most other fighters it does speak to how great Marquez really is.
                  Marquez beat the better pacquiao too

                  both legends though, tough pick

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                  • Frank Ducketts
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                    #19
                    Marquez is greater, no question.

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                    • IronDanHamza
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                      #20
                      Morales by quite a margin IMO.

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