How does Floyd not get credit for beating a guy 3 years ago

[shade darkar]

Not for people who understand wtf they're watching.

that fight was over when the contract was signed, lets have it right. marquez isnt a welterweight.

[UTEP]

Floyd could have came in 15 pounds overweight, a win is a win in the eyes of Floyd's biggest fans.

[-Johannes-]

Not for people who understand wtf they're watching.

Nah man, Floyd has an * over that win not because he was so much better and faster than JMM. Even though we should all know that Marquez had to bring the fight to Floyd and Marquez is best at picking mistakes and taking advantage of the agressor. No no no, Floyd has an * in that fight because he's a poopie head roider...

[JmH Reborn]

The main issue was that it was JMM's first foray into WW, clearly unprepared physically for an established Welterweight. He looked bloated, slow and generally just lethargic in the ring. This JMM is experienced now in adding pounds the *right* way onto his frame in order to compete at WW.

JMM vs. any WW on that night would have ended in disaster for JMM.

Floyd just shouldn't have wasted a prime night against him at that point. But it is what it is, he still has JMM on his resume, and that's cool. When historians and all look over that, they'll just comment on a LW coming up to WW on a Twinkie and golden-piss diet.

[-Kev-]

Larry you already know why, why pretend?

Floyd dragged the guy up two weight classes and was still so scared he stole 2 extra pounds (or rather paid for them).

Let Floyd fight Marquez at 143-144lbs, then come tell us how he's better than him.

You are correct, Floyd should have given Marquez a chance to defeat Likar Ramos at 140, that way it would have made a WW fight more legit like Pacquiao did.

[-Johannes-]

The main issue was that it was JMM's first foray into WW, clearly unprepared physically for an established Welterweight. He looked bloated, slow and generally just lethargic in the ring. This JMM is experienced now in adding pounds the *right* way onto his frame in order to compete at WW.

JMM vs. any WW on that night would have ended in disaster for JMM.

Floyd just shouldn't have wasted a prime night against him at that point. But it is what it is, he still has JMM on his resume, and that's cool. When historians and all look over that, they'll just comment on a LW coming up to WW on a Twinkie and golden-piss diet.

Do you honestly think the fight would be different now? Floyd's style is a horrible match for Marquez. Even now, it's not about putting weight differently or being stronger. Marquez displays tremendous skill against an agressor, he can't be the agressor and that's what he has to be when he fights Floyd. I'm a huge JMM fan but I'm realistic when I say Marquez just can't beat Floyd. Never.

[trampstank]

I read that with utter sarcasm.

Any level headed person would realize, the way that Floyd won, that 2lbs did absolutely nothing.

He didn't even fight him in a way in which is weight would matter such as an inside fight, he boxed him from a distance the entire fight.

He won every second of every round after a 2 year layoff, that 2lbs meant absolutely nothing.

Of course two pounds makes a difference! Depending on how much water he had already shed, two pounds could be the difference between feeling fit on fight night or severe dehydration. The fact that he was willing to pay $600 000 and get slammed by fans/media for those 2 pounds shows just how important they were.

[JmH Reborn]

Do you honestly think the fight would be different now? Floyd's style is a horrible match for Marquez. Even now, it's not about putting weight differently or being stronger. Marquez displays tremendous skill against an agressor, he can't be the agressor and that's what he has to be when he fights Floyd. I'm a huge JMM fan but I'm realistic when I say Marquez just can't beat Floyd. Never.

No, JMM even on his best day cannot beat Mayweather. I'm just commenting that it just wasn't competitive on the day it was signed, a guy going from 135 to 147. Then when it came to fight night, it was even more sealed.

I do think that it would be a tad more competitive today as I think Marquez with now more experience at 147 can maybe land a more effective punch and Mayweather has slowed down some that Marquez can get in a punch or two a round.

Overall, it was just a bad career decision, mind you, not a bad financial decision for Floyd to fight JMM. This fight just will never looked at positively. The only thing that sticks out is him drinking his own piss because of nutrients and nothing else really serious. JMM should have had a fight or two (kinda like Guerrero) at WW before fighting Floyd. Now, Guerrero fighting Floyd is a decent fight because Guerrero moved up, proved he belong and gets his shot (I'm assuming). If Floyd/JMM followed that same progression, nobody would really be complaining, even if the same 12-0 shutout happens

[-Kev-]

Floydiots wanna heap praise on floyd for this but piss all over Canelo for Josesito Lopez. Its just some fanboy crap, predictable bumsnifferey.

What the hell are you talking about? Why is everything about Floyd fans? It's not even Floyd fans who talk crap and say "Canelo fights JWW's" it's dumb ass Top Rank fanatics.

[V.WEBB]

stylistically, it would still play out the same... but the biggest factor is motivation. jmm had an axe to grind against pac.... when he fought floyd, it was a payday.

floyd is the superior boxer. period.... but i have no doubt jmm would be better equipped to take some rounds from floyd. but yeah... styles make fights. floyd by CLOSE decision.

With all due respect to Marquez, it would never be a close fight with he and Floyd.