Comments Thread For: Robert Guerrero Drops Berto Twice, Wins Decision

[turnedup]

Nah bruh.... This is where I have to call you out. You said that Floyd would not take a fight against a guy with a longer reach but Mayweather does have a longer reach than Guerrero. You implied that Guerrero had a longer reach than Mayweather due to his height. Did you not?

Ok, now let's do some math..if guy A has a 22 inch reach but is taller than boxer B who has a 25 inch reach..who technically has the wider span in a back and forth motion? The advantage goes to the taller man always..why because by leaning forward his shoulder being higher his reach would be longer just like if he leaned back he'd be harder to reach with a 25 than the other guy..i'm not basing my statement only on should to fist but also in the height aspect. Now if we were talking about side to side reaching for the same object of course he doesn't have the same reach but forward and back the taller man has the advantage always. That's not including the leg span of who can cover more ground faster...which of course goes to the taller man. Then again I could be wrong because if the taller man doesn't know how to use his height to his advantage all that is nulled.

[Realizniguhnit]

Guerreri is far from ordinary. He is a masterful technician and is one of the best combination fighters out there.

If berto couldn't hurt guerrero, mayweather couldn't either. Guerrero surprised the hell out of me. He took some of the cleanest shots from berto i've ever seen berto land and never got hurt. I thought berto would win this fight by tko before it started. I couldn't believe that guerrero could fight a legit welter like berto with superfast hands and plus power and win. I was wrong.

Guerrero is an interesting match up for mayweather. Before this fight, i'd have put mayweather as a 15 to 1 favorite. But guerrero's chin would give him a real chance. If mayweather is potshotting, could he hurt him? If not, wouldn't guerrero outwork the hell out of him? Would that be enough? It might be very interesting. Mayweather should still, in my eyes, be a 4 to 1 or so favorite.

People use to think Floyd wouldn't be able to hurt Cotto either, or Shane for that matter.. Guerrero isn't even on Floyd's radar..

[radioraheem]

Now i'm fabricating lies? Well why was she fired from the ring mag? It's in the same damned article you read moron..she was about to blow the doors wide open on GBP and USADA and got fired for it...Yet still no talk about Winky Wright's own experience with USADA? You can keep replying until you actually address that we have zilch to speak on homie..keep sitting under that rock avoiding the topic all you want and harp all you want on goodman..there's a reason she was fired..there's a reason why winky was so vocal about USADA..make of it what you will.

OK, now that Goodman never saying anything negative about VADA is out the way. Onto the Winky Wright issue.

It's difficult to speak on the Winky Wright situation because we've only heard his side of the story. Nothing from Golden Boy, Richard Schaefer, or USADA. USADA has a great reputation, so it's unlikely there was any intentional foul play. Without hearing other sides of the story though, it's anyone guess. Winky really wanted testing for his fight and wants to know why it stopped, it stopped a day or two after he took his first sample. He's pissed about that and rightfully so.

[GRUSTLER]

Ok, now let's do some math..if guy A has a 22 inch reach but is taller than boxer B who has a 25 inch reach..who technically has the wider span in a back and forth motion? The advantage goes to the taller man always..why because by leaning forward his shoulder being higher his reach would be longer just like if he leaned back he'd be harder to reach with a 25 than the other guy..i'm not basing my statement only on should to fist but also in the height aspect.

Thanks for the education on reach advantages but you didn't specify this in your prior posts. You said that Mayweather doesn't take fighters on who he has a disadvantage in reach against. Oscar De La Hoya was/is taller, heavier and has a longer reach than Guerrero in every aspect. Plus at 154 Oscar was a better fighter than Guerrero with more power. So this I cannot agree with you on.

[turnedup]

OK, now that Goodman never saying anything negative about VADA is out the way. Onto the Winky Wright issue.

It's difficult to speak on the Winky Wright situation because we've only heard his side of the story. Nothing from Golden Boy, Richard Schaefer, or USADA. USADA has a great reputation, so it's unlikely there was any intentional foul play. Without hearing other sides of the story though, it's anyone guess. Winky really wanted testing for his fight and wants to know why it stopped, it stopped a day or two after he took his first sample. He's pissed about that and rightfully so.

Winky is one of the most stand up guys in boxing...he was a staple at GBP before they became a big brand..if the man is stating this it's a fact..Schaeffer and Oscar have never given a quote on the subject when it's brought up and as clearly evidenced fired "Goodman" so she wouldn't speak on it via one of their mediums.

[Beater_of_ass]

Dirty. Dirty Fight.

This. It's just a Golden Boy thing, I understand they were both GDP but they wanted Guerrero to win just because he's Mexican. I'm just tired of these refs blaming the other guy for doing nothing wrong, occassionally I get it but WTF? Mares and now this ****... Like what I say is going to matter but legitimately this is turning me away from boxing.

[turnedup]

Thanks for the education on reach advantages but you didn't specify this in your prior posts. You said that Mayweather doesn't take fighters on who he has a disadvantage in reach against. Oscar De La Hoya was/is taller, heavier and has a longer reach than Guerrero in every aspect. Plus at 154 Oscar was a better fighter than Guerrero with more power. So this I cannot agree with you on this.

He needed the Oscar fight just like pacquaio needed it too..personally I don't think Floyd would've fought a prime Oscar..if you go back far enough before they had a business relationship Oscar spent plenty of time being critical of Floyd and they had the same exact manager "Arum" at the time..prior to that the only time Floyd has been at a disadvantage was versus Castillo which even Roger didn't want to fight because of this same issue..this is when it all went downhill between the mayweather's and Top Rank. I'll reserve further judgment until we know who his next opponent is tho..if he even decides to fight again

[radioraheem]

Really because in the article you just read she didn't clearly state why Schaeffer fired her...because she was pushing to publicize an article that was inclusively critical of GBP's contract with USADA...dude just cut it out..if you were on this side of the argument you'd be looking at my posts like I had six heads..which is exactly how i'm looking at your posts..she states it!! "Richard Schaeffer fired me because of an article that was not convenient to them but ironically they allowed me to write an article about Fernando Vargas' doping situation 10 years prior"! Those are her own f'ing words you dellusional kunt..gt f oh...

You are only fabricating more nonsense. She wasn't going to write an article bashing Golden Boy's contract with USADA because she doesn't know the details about their contract. Just like USADA doesn't know the details about VADA's past contracts with Golden Boy.

She does clearly suggest why she was fired from Ring Magazine. Her dispute with Golden Boy came around the Peterson positive test. Because she didn't tell Golden Boy. Goodman claims that Golden Boy didn't sign paperwork in order for them to find out the results. But Schaefer was not trying to hear that, he feels that is B.S.

Finally, Goodman also said that she's surprised she wasn't fired earlier! Meaning she knew it was coming.

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He needed the Oscar fight just like pacquaio needed it too..personally I don't think Floyd would've fought a prime Oscar..if you go back far enough before they had a business relationship Oscar spent plenty of time being critical of Floyd and they had the same exact manager "Arum" at the time..prior to that the only time Floyd has been at a disadvantage was versus Castillo which even Roger didn't want to fight because of this same issue..this is when it all went downhill between the mayweather's and Top Rank. I'll reserve further judgment until we know who his next opponent is tho..if he even decides to fight again

Arum didn't want to make the fight but Floyd wanted him or Mosley and that's why he moved up to 147 from 140 chasing the fight. Floyd wanted to fight Mosley when he was at 135 and Floyd at 130. Floyd had to leave Arum to get a fight with Oscar. This actually what went down.

[turnedup]

You are only fabricating more nonsense. She wasn't going to write an article bashing Golden Boy's contract with USADA because she doesn't know the details about their contract. Just like USADA doesn't know the details about VADA's past contracts with Golden Boy.

She does clearly suggest why she was fired from Ring Magazine. Her dispute with Golden Boy came around the Peterson positive test. Because she didn't tell Golden Boy. Goodman claims that Golden Boy didn't sign paperwork in order for them to find out the results. But Schaefer was not trying to hear that, he feels that is B.S.

Finally, Goodman also said that she's surprised she wasn't fired earlier! Meaning she knew it was coming.

Given Golden Boy’s professed commitment to making boxing a clean sport, Richard Schaefer might have been expected to commend VADA for its findings with regard to Peterson and Berto. Instead, he seemed intent on attacking Dr. Goodman and VADA.

“I guess the only question I have is why it took so long for Richard to fire me,” Dr. Goodman said afterward. “Once Golden Boy bought the magazine, I was told I couldn’t cover certain topics like more insurance coverage for catastrophic injuries suffered by fighters. Michael Rosenthal [the editor who replaced Nigel Collins at The Ring] is a great guy. He’s been very supportive but I could see the writing on the wall. You know, the first column I wrote for Ring eight years ago was about Fernando Vargas testing positive for Winstrol. It was called ‘JUICED!’ How ironic is that?”

Still in denial?