Where Does Camacho Rank In The All Time Puerto Rican List

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  • Exciterx30
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    #61
    Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
    Lists are indeed subjective, but, in these cases, they're bound by the certain reasonable restrictions. It's one thing to interchange reasonable choices, it's another to insert (or omit) inconceivable ones. I essentially stated that in an earlier post, and you evidently agree.

    What you're saying sounds nice, but it doesn't hold water. Can you honestly see how anyone can make a case for Kermit Cintron being among the greatest P.R. fighters of all time? If you don't laugh at that notion, you either have no sense of humor or you have incredible self-control.
    Seems like you completely misinterpreted the Cintrón statement. There's no way I would accept that. I meant that I respect someone's choice if it is a boxer with merits. I mentioned that someone who rates a guy like Cintrón that highly is trolling or clueless. I meant that if someone said Benítez or Trinidad or even Vázquez Sr., all boxers with stellar careers and achievements, is his number 1 choice I would be okay with it even if I don't see it that way. I hope it's clear now.

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    • CubanGuyNYC
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      #62
      Originally posted by jtcs1981
      Did you know he likes to sht on Cotto every time he can? He dont like Cotto's fan base because we tend to overrate the ish out of him but he certainly cant debate with logic and transperancy when it comes to Cotto. We Cottards can be ****** sometimes, but we come to our senses every now and then. Not him.


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      I was beginning to suspect that.

      Everyone overrates their favorites to some degree. It's human nature. It's also human nature to downplay the merits of those you dislike.

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      • oc9979
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        #63
        Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic
        It's not ridiculous at all. Leonard didn't look too bad even for all that inactivity against Camacho. Mosley just didn't move like Camacho did, specially when not in prime. I'll take a great inactive aging boxer over a out of prime dude. You guys make it seem like Mosley could box like Camacho did in his prime. No way in hell.



        Yes I did see those fights. Will lose badly against Cotto? We're talking about an out of prime Mosley. This he went on to become the #1 WW is laughable cause Margarito was already defeated before he even stepped in the ring. What Mosley went on to do after? Just become a laughing stock.

        You calling me bias.....rofl!!! I'm not the one putting someone like Cotto over Camacho like some of your fellow Cottards do. **** take away Leonard/Duran and it's still sooooo lopsided for Camacho over Cotto.




        That's your opinion and like I said I have mine. Mosley doesn't move like Camacho and I think even old Leonard would box him. But that's all in fantasy land.......the real deal is that Leonard/Duran...ATGs.
        Even if Margarito was already defeated before stepping into the ring. That has nothing to do with the fact that Mosley beat Margarito and became the #1 WW. If that is not a fact then Cotto should have been the #1 WW.
        WW rankings before Mosley beats Margarito were
        1. Margarito
        2. Cotto
        3. Mosley

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          #64
          Originally posted by jtcs1981
          Did you know he likes to sht on Cotto every time he can? He dont like Cotto's fan base because we tend to overrate the ish out of him but he certainly cant debate with logic and transperancy when it comes to Cotto. We Cottards can be ****** sometimes, but we come to our senses every now and then. Not him.


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          Your post is full of contradictions.

          Come to your senses but yet keep doing it over and over and over and over. Yea ok buddy.

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          • Ray Corso
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            #65
            Camacho is a top ten P.R. boxer/fighter easily! To rank Cotto above him is ridiculous, Macho would out score Cotto easily and win going away! Cotto has fought 3 boxing greats and his win over a way past prime Mosley was actually scored close if I remember the bout correctly. His fight with Pacman was one sided and he had a few good rounds with Mayweather but that was Mayweathers non agressive rounds not Cotto actually taking over and staying agressive. I like Cotto alot but he's not a great fighter he's a good competitor who comes to win and these days thats alot!! Camacho had alot of talents and was a superb athlete!!! R.I.P Champion
            Ray Corso

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            • CubanGuyNYC
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              #66
              Originally posted by Exciterx24
              Seems like you completely misinterpreted the Cintrón statement. There's no way I would accept that. I meant that I respect someone's choice if it is a boxer with merits. I mentioned that someone who rates a guy like Cintrón that highly is trolling or clueless. I meant that if someone said Benítez or Trinidad or even Vázquez Sr., all boxers with stellar careers and achievements, is his number 1 choice I would be okay with it even if I don't see it that way. I hope it's clear now.
              I didn't misinterpret your statement. I didn't say you would "accept that." I understood that you would respect their opinion as "their opinion". Yet, you say so yourself that you would think they're either a troll or clueless. So would I. I don't think you're a troll. But your omission of arguably the greatest P.R. fighter of all time from even your top five makes me question your judgement.

              If you rattled off a bunch of names, even Cintron's, and you said, "These are my favorite fighters," I couldn't really argue with your choices. That would be your taste. Some of us like burgers, others like hot dogs. But when you put out a list of who you judge as the greatest, it's open to heated debate. Hector Camacho, for instance, is not the greatest P.R. fighter of all time. I don't care what anyone says. If you made that statement I would laugh. It's just too far out of the realm of reasonableness. Carlos Ortiz being left out of the top five is, in my opinion, a lapse of a similar nature.

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              • Exciterx30
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                #67
                Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
                I didn't misinterpret your statement. I didn't say you would "accept that." I understood that you would respect their opinion as "their opinion". Yet, you say so yourself that you would think they're either a troll or clueless. So would I. I don't think you're a troll. But your omission of arguably the greatest P.R. fighter of all time from even your top five makes me question your judgement.

                If you rattled off a bunch of names, even Cintron's, and you said, "These are my favorite fighters," I couldn't really argue with your choices. That would be your taste. Some of us like burgers, others like hot dogs. But when you put out a list of who you judge as the greatest, it's open to heated debate. Hector Camacho, for instance, is not the greatest P.R. fighter of all time. I don't care what anyone says. If you made that statement I would laugh. It's just too far out of the realm of reasonableness. Carlos Ortiz being left out of the top five is, in my opinion, a lapse of a similar nature.
                I already stated what I believe in. This is starting to go in circles and I feel I don't have anything else to add. By the way, my #1 was Gómez, not Camacho. That's all there is to this from me.

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                • CubanGuyNYC
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Exciterx24
                  I already stated what I believe in. This is starting to go in circles and I feel I don't have anything else to add. By the way, my #1 was Gómez, not Camacho. That's all there is to this from me.
                  I know that. I merely concocted an example to make a point.

                  You're right, time to drop the subject. I didn't mean to offend you, man.

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                  • Exciterx30
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
                    I know that. I merely concocted an example to make a point.

                    You're right, time to drop the subject. I didn't mean to offend you, man.
                    It's okay. I have not been offended at all and we can agree to disagree on good terms.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by jtcs1981
                      How is Cotto better than Camacho? How WV is better than Calderon?
                      camacho fought alot of cans thats how but he fought a hell of alot more fights

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