How is ray Leonard beter than mayweather??

[onetwopunch]

I think you're underrating Floyd and overrating the 90s fighters. Quartey, Tito, Shane...they were very good in their prime, but aside from Shane they weren't exactly killers.

Werent killers?..really?.. Im not underrating FLoyd, im going by what I saw, Floyd is the most skilled fighter out there right now hands down, his ring knowledge is unmatched. But he should have owned DLH, that fight was really close and really shouldnt of been. Its like when DLH fought Chavez..Chavez was past him prime it wasnt even close. The 90s 147-154 divison was packed, Oba Carr, James Page, Campas, Vargas, Jose L Lopez, these guys were all good fighters.

[onetwopunch]

So you think P4P, prime for prime, 2001-2005 Floyd vs 96-00 Oscar, gets beaten to a pulp???

Yes, because I am taking into account what happened when he fought DLH past his prime, the same DLH that went all the way up to 160..and back down, he looked soft and still gave Floyd all he could handle, now think about it, a solid 147 DLH of 1999..come on I cant see how Floyd would win.

[-Kev-]

Yes, because I am taking into account what happened when he fought DLH past his prime, the same DLH that went all the way up to 160..and back down, he looked soft and still gave Floyd all he could handle, now think about it, a solid 147 DLH of 1999..come on I cant see how Floyd would win.

So do you think a 2007 Floyd at 154 was at his best?

DLH was past prime, but was Floyd at his best?

[Walt Liquor]

That caliber of fighter didn't exist for Floyd to fight.

Really? I can say that I agree but...

If not, there were fighters that were better than what he did that he didnt fight because of politics.

After 135 floyd was never fighting to beat the best at their best. He was fighting for money and as a businessman. His resume could be way better.

[onetwopunch]

So do you think a 2007 Floyd at 154 was at his best?

DLH was past prime, but was Floyd at his best?

No when did i say that?..what I said was that DLH was way past his prime. And if Floyd is as great as people say he is, he should of made quick work of DLH, or win by unanimous dec.

[Brother Jay]

This is one of the dumbest most idiotic post I ever read.

Nobody said Roy can't beat Robinson. People said Roy can't beat SPINKS.
People often judge Ali vs Tyson as a 50-50 fight as well.

You also don't know **** about Joe Louis so shut the **** up there please.


I think you forget that Floyd is 5'8 and come into fights at 150 (max).
Ray Leonard or Prime Hearn's best weight is 147-154. They are 5'10 and 6'2. That size advantage combined with their boxing skills at the WW LEVEL is far too much to over come. It's not like they were unskilled bigger men.

They were SKILLED bigger men. This is something *****s can never understand.

You guys are saying a ***ing PRIME LIGHT WEIGHT can beat two MUCH BIGGER PRIME WELTERWEIGHTS.. of similar skill sets.

I guess this fucking idiot ^^^ didn't read the part where I established that this entire debate was set under the parameters of a P4P debate .. where size and weight weren't factors.

I actually established that in a post hours ago.

It takes consistency to prove that you know your ****, but it only takes one statement to show just how fucking ignorant one loud mouthed d*ckhead can be.

You know I love my fans.

[WolfGirl]

I guess this fucking idiot ^^^ didn't read the part where I established that this entire debate was set under the parameters of a P4P debate .. where size and weight weren't factors.

I actually established that in a post hours ago.

It takes consistency to prove that you know your ****, but it only takes one statement to show just how fucking ignorant one loud mouthed d*ckhead can be.

You know I love my fans.

Stfu moron.

Nobody gives one **** about your little fantasy 'FLoyd Growth machine' where FLoyd is like 6'2 and can match Hearns.

Floyd's 5'8.


Also you are a Pac Tard pretending to be a Floyd Nut Hugger .

Stay Mad ******.

[Jim Jeffries]

No when did i say that?..what I said was that DLH was way past his prime. And if Floyd is as great as people say he is, he should of made quick work of DLH, or win by unanimous dec.

I don't think great fighters need necessarily be KO artists, especially against someone with a solid jaw (at the time) like DLH and in their very first fight at that weight. Plus Floyd should've won by UD in that fight, along the lines of about 116-112.

[illmaticfighter]

Of course Hearns would go at him, but he wouldn't be reaching, overextending and leaving himself to be pot shotted. Of course fights can go different, but Floyd pot shotting Hearns is a one in a million for me. Hearns would jab with Floyd, like he did with everyone. It's his biggest weapon. If ever there was an awful style match up for him, it's Hearns.

Floyd doesn't have fast enough feet to slip, get inside, counter and get away, just like Benitez couldn't counter Hearns because of the distance and reach or get inside because Hearns keeps his balance, distance and doesn't reach in. That's not to say he wouldn't go for the KO, but they are two different things entirely. Benitez spent all his time on defense and it was him that ended up reaching all the time because by the time he slipped a combination and tried to counter Hearns was already back at his own distance.

Pot shotting a guy who throws one or two punches, is a bit slow and plodding is fine, but doing it against a guy who stays at range with a long, fast jab, throws quick combinations and has a massive height and reach advantage is next to impossible.

Hearns is fast enough, skilled enough and his feet quick enough that Floyd couldn't pot shot. Floyd would have enough trouble reaching Hearns with anything significant and would probably end up fighting with his back against the ropes most of the fight, where he is very comfortable, but not in a good place to be against Hearns.

It's possible he (mayweather) gets taken out at some point early, but I see it more likely ending up a clear, albeit close, UD for Hearns with Mayweather simply not able to generate enough momentum and offence to win the exchanges. Hearns keeps it outside and then wins the rounds with his jab and boxing when he realises he can't get Floyd out of there after four rounds or so.

Now me saying winning it with his boxing doesn't mean Hearns is a better boxer. He just has the height, reach, comparable speed at 147 and more than enough skill to keep Floyd, who is just too small, at the end of his punches and if Floyds at the end of his punches and Hearns is getting off first, he wins. At 147 Hearns was too big, too fast, too skilled to outbox for someone of Floyds size, as we saw with Leonard and Benitez, and Floyd just doesn't have the necessary fire power and aggression to outfight him as Leonard could. It's one of the few matches in history that Floyd is a true underdog in.

what you aren't taking an account for is floyd's ability to counter. keeping floyd at the end of his jab isn't gonna to work because can adjust get inside of his chest similar to judah and outwork him on the inside.i never said hearns was a easy win for floyd but a possible one because of his abilities and things he does better than hearns.

floyd is a def underdog in the fight and i wouldn't pick him but if i had to pick who i think he could beat out of the 4 it's hearns and duran.

call me any name you want but that's my opinion.

[PulpFriction]

Pacquiao has the record!! 7 divisions! Pac will be at least top 5 P4P of all time!!

This is a joke right?