How is ray Leonard beter than mayweather??

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  • Walt Liquor
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    #171
    Originally posted by Brother Jay
    What should be mentioned is that Floyd has dominated every division coming from SFW to jrMW.

    Just about 99% of Ray Leonard's most significant wins come in at WW.

    So your comment is unbalance and poorly thought out.

    Mayweather is a small WW let alone jrMW. Compare Floyd to guys like Margarito, Cintron, Williams, and Cotto.

    Many people forget that Mosley, Mayweather and Pacquiao are relatively the same size. And if the legions of cultists who defend Pacquiao by saying he is too small get a pass, then so does Mayweather.

    The difference is that Mayweather is willing to face the best AT THEIR BEST .. weight and condition.

    Most people believe Leonard lost that fight against Hagler .. and guess what? Its because he couldn't use the strategy that he did as convincingly as Mayweather does. He basically tried was Mayweather has perfected. Leonard tried to play counter puncher against a man he was afraid of and wound up looking timid for it.

    Boxing fans have screamed for decades that Hagler was robbed. And they are right. Its not that Hagler was destroying Leonard or anything but he was the aggressor and landed the better punches.

    For an accurate picture to be painted, Leonard would have had to have gone up to LHW and beaten the #1 champion there for the comparisons to Mayweather to be accurate. Remember ... 5 divisions ... not 2 or 3.

    If Leonard had gone up that far and STILL won, there would a real discussion here. No, instead when Leonard went up that far we saw what happened to him.

    The rest is history.
    Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Too bad rankings trump actual fighting skill and the actual situations in which fights take place to you.


    You're boxrec's dream guy.

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    • ИATAS
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      #172
      Agreed. Floyd's resume is full of Hagler's, Duran's and Hearns'.

      Castillo = Hagler
      Corrales = Hearns
      Cotto = Duran

      And Victor Ortiz = Benitez

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        #173
        Originally posted by statosteve
        Man I ain't even a floyd nut hugger I'm just a fan of boxing!i like pacman just as much as floyd although PAC is pretty much past his time.im just comparing floyds resume to Leonard's and through my eyes floyd has the much superior resume..I think the older fighter get to much recognition compared to these days boxers...
        Which fighters on Floyd's resume are superior to Hagler, Hearns, Duran and Benitez?

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          #174
          Originally posted by Brother Jay
          Just about 99% of Ray Leonard's most significant wins come in at WW.
          Well if Marvin Hagler accounts for just 1% of Leonard's most significant wins, then why are you even attempting to compare his resume and accomplishments to Mayweather's?

          Originally posted by Brother Jay
          Hahahahaha ... I should be paid for this.
          Absolutely, if not for entertainment value alone.

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            #175
            Originally posted by TouchyAndalou
            Which fighters on Floyd's resume are superior to Hagler, Hearns, Duran and Benitez?
            See above. I laid it down, cannot be disputed either.

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              #176
              Originally posted by THE ИATAS
              Agreed. Floyd's resume is full of Hagler's, Duran's and Hearns'.

              Castillo = Hagler
              Corrales = Hearns
              Cotto = Duran

              And Victor Ortiz = Benitez

              That caliber of fighter didn't exist for Floyd to fight.

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                #177
                Originally posted by THE ИATAS
                Agreed. Floyd's resume is full of Hagler's, Duran's and Hearns'.

                Castillo = Hagler
                Corrales = Hearns
                Cotto = Duran

                And Victor Ortiz = Benitez

                LOL!!!!! good one

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                  #178
                  Originally posted by Priest Andretti
                  That caliber of fighter didn't exist for Floyd to fight.
                  This is true, and Floyd can't be blamed for that. Although, the closest to that caliber in Floyd's era - or at least the figther considered by most to be closest - is Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd hasn't fought him.

                  At any rate, Floyd doesn't get extra legacy points because there's a lack of all-time great fighters in his era. We know SRL beat Duran, Benitez, Hagler and Hearns; we don't know whether Floyd could have beaten fighters of that caliber. Maybe that's unfair on Floyd, but it's just how it is. When considering legacy, fighters get credit for what they did in the ring and against whom, not what they may have been able to do in fantasy matchups.

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                    #179
                    As far as skill they are very close, but I would give the edge to SRL, because his hands were faster he punch in combination, and was more versatile and the fact that he could take Hearns power..thats tells you how good his chin was. Im just guessing here but I doubt that PBF would be able to take a shot from Hearns..

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                      #180
                      Originally posted by Priest Andretti
                      That caliber of fighter didn't exist for Floyd to fight.
                      Nobody in their right minds will even give Floyd a chance against Hearns or Hagler. Duran is probably 50-50 if that.

                      Saying lil 5'8 former lightweight Floyd will beat Marvin Hagler borders on the realm of insanity.


                      Floyd would have gone 1-4 in those five fights Leonard fought against Benitez-Duran-Hagler-Hearns-Hearns.

                      At best, he would have gone 2-3. Leonard made it close enough to get decisions. You think that 2nd version of Tommy Hearns with his 175 Pound Rehydrated self will even give Floyd a chance to survive pass the 10th? Based on size alone, Hearns would have walked Floyd down.



                      It's not a knock on Floyd saying he will definitely lose to 3 of the Fab 4 and maybe lose to Duran. Floyd is the naturally smaller man.


                      Rid**** Bowe said it best

                      "When you take everything into consideration, if everything is equal or almost equal. Chin,heart,boxing skills,etc... The great big man usually beat the great little man.

                      Floyd's a great little man that will get brutally stopped by bigger men who's just as great.

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