How is ray Leonard beter than mayweather??

[onetwopunch]

I don't think great fighters need necessarily be KO artists, especially against someone with a solid jaw (at the time) like DLH and in their very first fight at that weight. Plus Floyd should've won by UD in that fight, along the lines of about 116-112.

I agree, but at the same time the fight should not have been as close as it was. This thread is about comparing PBF to SRL, and DLH just happens to be the biggest name on PBF resume.

[Prince_Pugilist]

I came to this thread out of morbid curiosity and am regretting it. The ******ity of some fans is unbelievable. Not sure if they ever watch boxing.

[illmaticfighter]

Hearns kept Duran on the outside untill he seen the opening for the right for the first knockdown then he brawled a little to try and finish, 2nd round Hearns keeps him on the outside again untill he found the chance to hurt Duran, he didn't brawl with Duran the whole fight, only when it seemed necessery if you watched the fight instead of just the KO you would see that, he absolutely used his advantages in that fight, Hagler took the fight too Hearns and chased him around, not the other way around, Hagler forced Hearns too fight it wasn't just something that Hearns' decided to do.

this guy i never said hearns brawled with duran but even you admitted he did at times. he took the fight to him he stalked walked him down from what i remember duran was the one going back the whole fight and hearns pursing even hurting him a bit in the first round eventually leading to a ko.

hearns got took out of his game by hagler and decided to goto war with him at times.

also when hearns hurt hagler did he box or take it to him?

if your answer is yes then why even reply to my post?

[illmaticfighter]

how do you figure he would be a 1999 DLH?..if he barely beat a past his prime DLH?..

do you realize the same floyd that fought oscar then won't be the same floyd in the ring with a 1999 oscar?

[onetwopunch]

do you realize the same floyd that fought oscar then won't be the same floyd in the ring with a 1999 oscar?

Yes of course, my point was that PBF won a close fight againts a past his prime DLH. PBF still has plenty of fight in him and when he fought DLH he was still prime..unlike DLH who was soft and way past his prime.

[CubanGuyNYC]

PEDs = Performance Enhancing Drugs

In the old days, some athletes were using things ranging from steroids to hormones to ******* to caffeine to Strychnine to amphetamines to methamphetamines. I'm aware of Adolf Butenandt and his development of steroids, but that was hardly the first time that a fighter or athlete doped up to gain an edge.

I know what is generally regarded as a PED; I wanted to clarify what you meant, so we understand each other. The term is wide-ranging.

We agree: As I stated in my previous post, "Athletes have sought a competitive edge by ingesting various things for many years." My belief is that a great number of athletes have used PEDs at one time or another. Sometimes those substances were legal, sometimes they weren't. Some were allowed at one time but are no longer permitted. Some athletes have been caught in violation of certain restrictions, others have avoided detection.

My view is that no one should be accused of doing something they haven't been caught doing. I'll agree that no modern athlete should be beyond su****ion, but we have to be careful about making assumptions without just cause. Simply because PED use is widespread, one cannot make a blanket statement about everyone. The irony is, if everyone is using PEDs, the field is indeed level.

[Brother Jay]

I know what is generally regarded as a PED; I wanted to clarify what you meant, so we understand each other. The term is wide-ranging.

We agree: As I stated in my previous post, "Athletes have sought a competitive edge by ingesting various things for many years." My belief is that a great number of athletes have used PEDs at one time or another. Sometimes those substances were legal, sometimes they weren't. Some were allowed at one time but are no longer permitted. Some athletes have been caught in violation of certain restrictions, others have avoided detection.

My view is that no one should be accused of doing something they haven't been caught doing. I'll agree that no modern athlete should be beyond su****ion, but we have to be careful about making assumptions without just cause. Simply because PED use is widespread, one cannot make a blanket statement about everyone. The irony is, if everyone is using PEDs, the field is indeed level.

Agreed and good post.

[MJ223]

what you aren't taking an account for is floyd's ability to counter. keeping floyd at the end of his jab isn't gonna to work because can adjust get inside of his chest similar to judah and outwork him on the inside.i never said hearns was a easy win for floyd but a possible one because of his abilities and things he does better than hearns.

floyd is a def underdog in the fight and i wouldn't pick him but if i had to pick who i think he could beat out of the 4 it's hearns and duran.

call me any name you want but that's my opinion.

Judah is no Hearns.....

[i_am_a_champ]

Greetings people,
I'll make this as short as possible. I've watched a lot of boxing. I box my self, as im sure a lot of you here do the same. I have never seen a fighter like Floyd Mayweather Jr. His father and his uncle(s) must have really gone to work on him when developing him as a fighter when he was growing up.

I am not a Floyd-stan or nut hugger. I love boxing. BOXING.

Floyd Mayweather Jr does things in the ring which are absolutley amazing, yet so simple. If you cannot see it, i wont tell you. When you do, stuff that Roger Mayweather says like "my nephew, he got speed, he knows how to use speed" will make very apparent sense. Good god they taught him how to use his speed!

If you want to investigate your self ( and i implore you to ) ask your selves why he has such a high connect percentage compared to other fighters. There are so many other fighters out there who also have great speed but why are they not sharp shooters with good connect averages?

This is something to do with BOXING. Its always brains over brawn. Watch what Floyd does in the ring and you will know why his connect ratio is so damn high. Its simplicity yet highly sophisticated. His father and uncle(s) have told him exactly what to do to take FULL advantage of his speed and keep his opponent thinking ( NOTE: OK I GAVE IT AWAY THERE ...you should be able to work it out ...if not....keep watching and hopefully you will )

Also, Floyds offence is highly underrated. He is not just a counter-puncher like people say. He is not a pure counter puncher. Thats one aspect of his game. One of the main aspects of his offense is rooted deep in boxing fundamentals, POSITIONAL ADVANTAGE. He may even use dirty boxing tricks to achieve this. His fast feet are used to perfection, again i believe his Father and uncle(s) really took time and effort into training Floyd. I wont say anymore. Watch him your self. There is so much more. He is THAT GOOD.

The argument of the thread:

Yes Ray Leonards resume is amazing. The scalps on his record show it. Ray Leonard was a gifted fighter also with an amazing boxing brain, yet he showed it subtley. He had speed, a good chin and could stand and trade if needed to.

Alot of people here give Ray Leonard the edge due to his size and power advantage.I feel this wont be a factor if Floyd and Ray Leonard ever fought. I believe it will be a battle of wits and who is able to manipulate the laws and forces of boxing more efficiently inside the ring. Floyds style is deeply rooted in boxing fundamentals, deeply.

Another fighter i saw who had the same boxing swagger albeit a little different to Floyds was the great Charley Burley. Theres only one/two videos of him on Youtube. Now he was smart. Good god he was smart!

Benny Leonard was another.

I LOVE BOXING!

The end of this supposed short post lol.



EDIT: Sugar Ray Robinson was also another one. If you watch some of his fights that had brutal KO's you will see exactly what he does to coax out the KO because he has spotted something. He was extremley quick minded and blessed by god with tremendous, vicious power, speed ,extremley good balance and CO-ORDINATION.

Sugar Ray Robinson, amazing boxing mind, amazing boxing skills, a very crafty fighter ( which was well hidden ) , tremendous power, great speed and ferocity in the ring. THE BEST!!!!!!!!

[BennyST]

what you aren't taking an account for is floyd's ability to counter. keeping floyd at the end of his jab isn't gonna to work because can adjust get inside of his chest similar to judah and outwork him on the inside.i never said hearns was a easy win for floyd but a possible one because of his abilities and things he does better than hearns.

floyd is a def underdog in the fight and i wouldn't pick him but if i had to pick who i think he could beat out of the 4 it's hearns and duran.

call me any name you want but that's my opinion.

Whaaaaa.....I can't decide if you're actually comparing Mayweather getting inside on Judah, a 5'7", natural 140 pound southpaw that has no jab and likes to fight inside, to getting in on 6'1" righty ATG Hearns? Surely not. No one is that daft.

You make it sound like Floyd would suddenly turn into Duran in there. You're giving him attributes he has never shown in his career. He doesn't get inside and outwork people. He never has and never will. He counters fighters inside, and throws economical counter shots but he never works his way inside and then outworks them there. Where the hell are you getting this from? Floyd isn't going to force his way inside and Hearns, as you're making out, is not unskilled enough that Floyd could just counter him and get inside in the blink of an eye.

Beating a Judah that crumbles when faced with adversity or pressure is not really relevant to beating Hearns. Getting inside on Judah, which is not hard because Judah let him do it, is not remotely relevant and most important, Judah is so far removed from how Hearns fights as to be opposites. Bringing up any old theory to validate your points, despite everything pointing the opposite way, doesn't really hold water. What next? Floyd beats Pacquiao because of how he handled Gatti?

Of everything that's been said, turning Floyd into a volume punching pressure fighter thats going to outwork guys on the inside and using Judah, a small southpaw that doesn't work off his jab and allows fighters inside of his own volition, to compare to Hearns, one of the best jabbers in history and one of the tallest welterweights ever that sticks behind his jab and fights at range just takes the cake.