Part 2 of Hauser's PED Mess article

[BIGMARS]

Please. A positive test by Donaire wouldn't see the light of day. Not like he'd fail anyway when his right hand man helped design the tests.

I tend to agree with this. Nonito pals around with some pretty unsavory characters. I don't trust him.

[sdcluser]

No, at first it was rumored. And then a few hours later I think it was FightHype to be the first ones to actually report it as a fact. It will always start as a rumor until it can be proven true, some of these rumors take days or even years to come about. It all depends on who has what info. Could be true, could be false but I'll give it some more time.

which alt is this? LOL

[Dr Rumack]

The Morales stuff throws up a lot of questions, and in truth it makes the testing process look absolutely ridiculous by the standards of testing in most professional sports.

The key statement in Part 2 of the article is this:

�USADA should not enter into a contract that doesn�t call for it to report positive test results to the appropriate governing body.� Catlin states. �If it�s true that USADA reported the results [in the Morales case] to Golden Boy and not to the governing state athletic commission, that�s a recipe for deception.�

If:

(1) USADA are entering to contracts where they do not have to report positive tests to the governing body, and

(2) they instead reported the positive test to Golden Boy in the case of the Morales-Garcia fight,

then that undermines any and all testing conducted by USADA in boxing to date. It creates a situation where there is far too much discretion placed in the hands of parties other than the organization that is governing the event.

Also, it lends credence to the behaviour of USADA as described by Hauser in the instance of the supposed Floyd Mayweather failed tests.

[howdy potna]

The Morales stuff throws up a lot of questions, and in truth it makes the testing process look absolutely ridiculous by the standards of testing in most professional sports.

The key statement in Part 2 of the article is this:

�USADA should not enter into a contract that doesn�t call for it to report positive test results to the appropriate governing body.� Catlin states. �If it�s true that USADA reported the results [in the Morales case] to Golden Boy and not to the governing state athletic commission, that�s a recipe for deception.�

If:

(1) USADA are entering to contracts where they do not have to report positive tests to the governing body, and

(2) they instead reported the positive test to Golden Boy in the case of the Morales-Garcia fight,

then that undermines any and all testing conducted by USADA in boxing to date. It creates a situation where there is far too much discretion placed in the hands of parties other than the organization that is governing the event.

Also, it lends credence to the behaviour of USADA as described by Hauser in the instance of the supposed Floyd Mayweather failed tests.

That explains all the lies and their constant mixing of their story regarding Morales' tests.

NYSAC wasn't even informed by GBP that Morales failed on the 3rd and 10th of October.

[Dr Rumack]

That explains all the lies and their constant mixing of their story regarding Morales' tests.

NYSAC wasn't even informed by GBP that Morales failed on the 3rd and 10th of October.

It's worth bearing in mind that SACs are as useful as co*k flavoured lollipops when it comes to boxing and it's hard to know how they would have reacted anyway.

But if the truth is that the promoters are essentially running their own testing, then it is nothing short of a farce. Everything Hauser hints at in relation to Mayweather could be true, and all the protestations on here yesterday that USADA are beyond reproach sound pretty silly.

[Fasttimes]

He chose to pay his nemesis instead of release his samples. Why would Floyd do that if he got nothing to hide?

Why would he give Pac his samples? Has Pac done him any favours?

Going by your logic, Pac passed up 50 MILLION dollars in order to not give any advanced tests at all. So he must be dirty.

[junior gong]

I dont think I have ever seen Floydiots act this defensive.

[Clegg]

This Saturday (November 24th), Andre Berto will fight Robert Guerrero in Ontario, California, on a card promoted by Golden Boy.

Guerrero asked that the fighters be tested for PEDs by VADA. Walter Kane (Guerrero’s attorney) says that Richard Schaefer and Al Haymon (Berto’s manager) refused and would only allow testing by the California State Athletic Commission and USADA.

In other words, Berto said he’d do drug testing, but not with the people who caught him earlier this year.

Guerrero had two options. He could accept USADA and a career-high payday or lose the payday.

“I’m not happy about it,” Kane says, “but in the end, we really didn’t have a choice. Golden Boy controls the purse strings, and they’re calling the shots.”

I wasn't aware of this, that's pretty bad.

The impression I get from the article is that Schaefer (unlike Arum) believed in better testing and believed that only a small number of fighters were cheats. Then after a couple of tests the reality became clear and unfortunately he's decided to become part of the problem, because being part of the solution would cost his company and his fighters a lot of money. The USADA element is particularly worrying because it makes you doubt their integrity and therefore question all of the work they do in boxing and other sports.

No matter who is being tested or why, positive test results should be reported to the local commission. Doing it any other way is a joke.

I don't believe the stuff about Floyd, and although the timing of TR's requests for his test results and the defamation settlement might be questionable, the article would've been better without talking about unproven rumours that could just be 100% fabricated. Floyd is the most popular fighter in the sport and the most discussed and debated fighter in the sport, and including something non-factual about him means most people will focus upon that, rather than on the rest of the article, which is more significant and is supported by a lot more than just rumours. The stuff about Floyd probably would've been better suited to a follow-up article.

To make real headway, it should be a condition for granting a license in any state that a fighter can be tested for PEDs at any time. Logistics and cost would make mandatory testing on a broad scale impractical, but unannounced spot testing could be implemented.

I think this is a very good idea. Randomly testing every fighter on a regular basis isn't going to happen, sadly. But at least do something. The testers could do one fighter per day and the cheats would be so much more likely to get caught than they are at present.

For that reason, it’s not unreasonable to suggest that, in certain instances, if a fighter tests positive for PEDs before a fight: (1) his opponent should have the choice of proceeding with the fight or not; (2) if the fight takes place, the fighter who has tested positive should forfeit 50 percent of his purse; and (3) the fighter who has tested positive should be suspended for a minimum of one year after the fight with the suspension being recognized by every jurisdiction in the United States.

I disagree with this. Big name fighters can afford to pay their opponents, who know that the payday and title shot may not come along again. For example if Pac tested positive before the fight with Clottey, Clottey probably would've taken the money to go through with the fight. If Clottey tested positive, the extra money would mean little to Pac and he'd just find a replacement opponent. If you fail a test, the fight should be cancelled, and no one should be able to buy their way out of that.

[BuckToothed]

I don't believe the stuff about Floyd, and although the timing of TR's requests for his test results and the defamation settlement might be questionable, the article would've been better without talking about unproven rumours that could just be 100% fabricated. Floyd is the most popular fighter in the sport and the most discussed and debated fighter in the sport, and including something non-factual about him means most people will focus upon that, rather than on the rest of the article, which is more significant and is supported by a lot more than just rumours. The stuff about Floyd probably would've been better suited to a follow-up article.

It would be hard to discuss OST/USADA/GBP and PED testing in general without associating Floyd in the conversation, he is the major proponent of it afterall.
I remember when Peterson got popped, no connection whatsoever with Floyd, not managed by Haymon, caught by VADA instead of USADA, and still posters here went nuts and drag Floyd's name to the ground.

I think this is a very good idea. Randomly testing every fighter on a regular basis isn't going to happen, sadly. But at least do something. The testers could do one fighter per day and the cheats would be so much more likely to get caught than they are at present.

They can start with the top 10 ranked fighters for each division, and the prefight and postfight drug test needs to be more thorough.

I disagree with this. Big name fighters can afford to pay their opponents, who know that the payday and title shot may not come along again. For example if Pac tested positive before the fight with Clottey, Clottey probably would've taken the money to go through with the fight. If Clottey tested positive, the extra money would mean little to Pac and he'd just find a replacement opponent. If you fail a test, the fight should be cancelled, and no one should be able to buy their way out of that.

It should give the promoters more incentive to stack the cards so if the main event gets cancelled, viewers will still tune in for the co-main event. Unless everyone tested positive

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This Saturday (November 24th), Andre Berto will fight Robert Guerrero in Ontario, California, on a card promoted by Golden Boy.

Guerrero asked that the fighters be tested for PEDs by VADA. Walter Kane (Guerrero’s attorney) says that Richard Schaefer and Al Haymon (Berto’s manager) refused and would only allow testing by the California State Athletic Commission and USADA.

In other words, Berto said he’d do drug testing, but not with the people who caught him earlier this year.

Guerrero had two options. He could accept USADA and a career-high payday or lose the payday.

“I’m not happy about it,” Kane says, “but in the end, we really didn’t have a choice. Golden Boy controls the purse strings, and they’re calling the shots.”

I wasn't aware of this, that's pretty bad.

The impression I get from the article is that Schaefer (unlike Arum) believed in better testing and believed that only a small number of fighters were cheats. Then after a couple of tests the reality became clear and unfortunately he's decided to become part of the problem, because being part of the solution would cost his company and his fighters a lot of money. The USADA element is particularly worrying because it makes you doubt their integrity and therefore question all of the work they do in boxing and other sports.

No matter who is being tested or why, positive test results should be reported to the local commission. Doing it any other way is a joke.

I don't believe the stuff about Floyd, and although the timing of TR's requests for his test results and the defamation settlement might be questionable, the article would've been better without talking about unproven rumours that could just be 100% fabricated. Floyd is the most popular fighter in the sport and the most discussed and debated fighter in the sport, and including something non-factual about him means most people will focus upon that, rather than on the rest of the article, which is more significant and is supported by a lot more than just rumours. The stuff about Floyd probably would've been better suited to a follow-up article.

Quote:

To make real headway, it should be a condition for granting a license in any state that a fighter can be tested for PEDs at any time. Logistics and cost would make mandatory testing on a broad scale impractical, but unannounced spot testing could be implemented.

I think this is a very good idea. Randomly testing every fighter on a regular basis isn't going to happen, sadly. But at least do something. The testers could do one fighter per day and the cheats would be so much more likely to get caught than they are at present.

Quote:

For that reason, it’s not unreasonable to suggest that, in certain instances, if a fighter tests positive for PEDs before a fight: (1) his opponent should have the choice of proceeding with the fight or not; (2) if the fight takes place, the fighter who has tested positive should forfeit 50 percent of his purse; and (3) the fighter who has tested positive should be suspended for a minimum of one year after the fight with the suspension being recognized by every jurisdiction in the United States.

I disagree with this. Big name fighters can afford to pay their opponents, who know that the payday and title shot may not come along again. For example if Pac tested positive before the fight with Clottey, Clottey probably would've taken the money to go through with the fight. If Clottey tested positive, the extra money would mean little to Pac and he'd just find a replacement opponent. If you fail a test, the fight should be cancelled, and no one should be able to buy their way out of that.

Holy **** seriously? I am no longer a Berto fan. **** that dude. Also, screw Morales. He's a damn cheat. After what warp posted saying only 1 in a million are contaminated it leads me to believe the du de is a cheat.



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