Comments Thread For: Rigondeaux vs. Poonsawat in Play For December 15th

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Originally Posted by kiaba360

So many fighters and match-ups to pay attention to and analyze, hence why the "what have you done for me lately" saying rings true.

If only NSB understood this... then Nishi wouldn't have become an overnight superstar the day he signed for Donaire. But then again, it was spectacular how he beat a 37-year-old battle-worn Rafa Marquez in such dramatic fashion.

You beat a legend, you become a legend.

I just wish Poon would beat Marquez before fighting Rigo.



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[kiaba360]

Vic remained active by getting shut out against Moreno, losing clearly to Yamanaka and beating an untested prospect. How does that make him more valuable than the man who beat him?


But that's exactly what the guy in your sig did against Pavlik. That's what Floyd did against Cotto, Marquez against Floyd, etc. Nothing wrong with an elite fighter getting a title shot in his first fight moving up.

Rankings don't mean **** to me unless you beat good fighters. Agbeko has beaten better fighters than Poonsawat and has lost to better fighters than Poonsawat has lost to.


Rigo would get tons of credit for fighting Agbeko, because the guy actually beat elite fighters. You pay too much attention to rankings and titles and who is active and who has momentum. No offense but it's BS to me. You don't earn a shot by being a division for a long period of time and beating cans (and losing to some of them in the process). And I don't even think anybody has to "earn" their shot at Rigondeaux, he's the one who has to prove himself. Agbeko is battle tested, he actually gave Rigondeaux a nice opportunity to get an elite fighter on his resume and Rigo would have gotten more credit for that win.

As flawed as my logic is when comparing Darchinyan/Agbeko, it's what I'm sticking with. Vic lost to Moreno and Agbeko lost to Mares. He lost to Yamanaka, but only with hindsight can we correctly assess how much the loss means. Maybe Yamanaka could turn out to be something special, so Vic losing to him won't be as hurtful to his resume. Both Agbeko/Vic lost decisively to the top fighters (Mares/Moreno), but Vic kept on moving.

It's funny you should bring up Martinez and the concept of "elite", cuz Sleepless made the same point. Here's what I've said in other threads:

Mayweather/Pac have already reached the "elite" plane, Pac/Mayweather isn't just another case of the top fighters in a division fighting each other. It's the "elite" guys fighting each another. The top 2 guys in the entire sport (arguably) just so happen to be in the same division at the same time. The match-up has a lot of significance attached to it, historically and monetarily.

I wasn't following MW during that time, but I probably would've been on here complaining about him getting another title shot lol. However, what's different in the situations is the fact that Martinez stayed at MW. Agbeko wants to go to 122 after losing to the top at 118, fuck up the flow/balance and skip to the front of the line. What about the winner of Quigg/Munroe or Poonsawat, fighters who've been putting work @122, guys who are actually on the WBA rankings? Ideally, the sanctioning bodies are supposed to represent equal opportunity. IDK where Sergio was in the WBC/WBO rankings at that time, or how shallow the division was, or why he was allowed to get another title shot right after. Him getting a title shot probably means that someone got pushed to the side. Martinez was 44-2, so the WBC/WBO probably figured, "What the hell, he's entertaining and experienced, so give him another shot". Rankings aren't always worth going by and are sometimes very flawed, but it's always something to take into consideration when brainstorming about potential match-ups.

Rigo has a sufficient amount of opponents right now. Agbeko doesn't need to be and shouldn't be a top priority.

Let's look at the definition: Elite - the most powerful, rich, gifted, or educated members of a group.

It's about standing out from the rest, having qualities that the majority don't possess.

IMO, "Elite" has two layers: a fighter's skill-set/experience/resume and their star-power/earning potential/notoriety. Both have to be cultivated over time. Analyzing a fighter's status from a macro level is the only time I bring up the word "elite". When I'm referring to their status within a division, I'll just say "he's a top fighter".

is Khan an "elite" fighter? No. Is he a "top" fighter? Yes.

It's becoming clearer why we have opposing opinions on this situation. I don't consider Agbeko an "elite" fighter. His resume isn't profound enough, isn't experienced enough, doesn't have a big enough name/star-power, is coming off a couple losses/inactivity and isn't ranked as a SBW. I just don't believe he's the best option available, or should I say, a better option than other SBWs. Agbeko is doing Rigondeaux a "favor"? LOL! In your opinion, Agbeko is the one taking the risk, and to me, he's looking for a rebound fight off the back of a title-holder. We're looking at the same situation for opposing perspectives, hence why we cannot agree. You're looking at it from Agbeko's point of view and I'm looking at it from Rigo's and Poonsawat's.


Light, one of the few posters that has me writing essays on NSB lmao, good thing I didn't have school.

[deejd]

I think I figured out what the problem is. Poon never faced and beat Marquez.

He must fight him then. He just has to fight Rafa to become the #1 in the division.

[deejd]

You beat a legend, you become a legend.

I just wish Poon would beat Marquez before fighting Rigo.

If Donaire fought Junior Jones tomorrow, NSB would be ablaze tonight about how Jones caught the second wind of his career and would be the ultimate test... and would somehow be the #1 fighter in the division.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I hate the Arce fight. Uugh. Mayweather-Gatti II (but good cash so there you go). I agree. I think Math and Poon are both good foes. If Donaire were fighting Poon, I'd have no complaints. For a guy 11-0 to have Cordoba, Ramos and now Poon up (and a solid comer like Marroquin) is excellent.

Wow, Cliff, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you're in danger of becoming a Rigo fan.

[Angry Cuban]

Wow, Cliff, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you're in danger of becoming a Rigo fan.

No man..I m amazed by them..almost all of them talk good about the fight and the rigo skill level..just some rookies still around...this gonna be awesome..

[crold1]

Wow, Cliff, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you're in danger of becoming a Rigo fan.

I've never disliked him. I had a beer bet with someone on whether he could win a title within like his first 18 months and he almost did (settling at interim). I just find his Cult following, screaming duck since Ramos fight, a tad insane. I want to see him get to the big fights. I think he could have a very Tszyu-like run.

[Visceral]

Please tell me I'm not the only one that laughed when I read the name Poonsawat.

[jtcs1981]

How is Agbeko a better fight when he fights at 118? Just because of names? Poon been in 122 for a while and names or not, he earns his ranking in that division. If Rigo fights Agbeko and beat him, he is going to get the treatment of, He just beat a guy from back to back losses.

This is a good fight and challenge. I wonder how Rigo is going to react to the crowd in Mexico with his output and counter punching style. That is going to be a tough crowd that will probably will start rooting for Poon

[KnockUTheFukOut]

I you consider this a step up in competition that is fine by me...just don't ***** and make excuses if Rigondeaux blows him away and come back and say "Poonsawat Was A Bum"

He does come forward and tries to press the action so I expect Rigondeaux to be able to use his Quick Counter Punches against Poonsawat