Matthysse vs Alexander & Judah RBR!

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did zab change his name to nobody? it was a completely dominant round. no it was only an ugly round for judah. i score it based on lucas hammering judad to the head and body with clean punches over and over. not to judah who got hammered and landed 4 clean punches the entire round.

LOL@ "That" being a completely dominant round. Rounds 10 and 11 were completely dominant rounds. Round 9 was much like the earlier rounds with Zab moving and jabbing and throwing the occasional left. Lucas was more agressive than he was in the earlier rounds. By reading your explanation you favor output which a lot of people do. To me, Lucas was the agressor but looked silly and frustrated missing with those wild shots. Judah was in complete control of this fight up until the 10th. He a good game plan going into the fight, executed it well and was awarded the decision. That's why he got the title shot vs. Khan, that's why he's getting a crack at Garcia in January.

This is not Pacquiao/Bradley, Rios/Abril, Casamayor/Santa Cruz, Holyfield/Lewis. Hell its not even Alexander/Matthysse. Judah won fair and square. People need to stop making excuses for Matthysse.

You wrote a whole paragraph question how lucas didnt win that round yet said NOTHING about what judah actually did to win it

Amused by the smiley but I already posted my RBR. You obviously disagree. It is what it is.

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Just to generate discussion I'll do a RBR as well. This forum needs more threads like this.




Agreed. Feeling out round. Judah looks to be in control. Lucas seems to not know what he wants to do yet. 10-9 Judah. Slow round but clear W for Judah.



Starts out as a jab off. Matthysse looking a lot more hesitant than I'm use to seeing. Does some decent body work. But again, Zab controls the round with his jab and footwork. The difference in hand speed is evident. 20-18 Judah.



Matthysse picks up the pace landing some solid jabs and straights to the body. Judah lands a vicous left uppercut towards the end of the round. Lucas smiles at him. Too little too late. Agree with you here. 29-28 Judah



Zab once again controlling the round with his jab and picking up the pace. Lands a few good counter punches. Close round but feel like Zab did the better work. Agree with you here. 39-37 Judah



Zab hooking with his jab. Again outboxing Matthysse and beating him to the punch. Matthysse still looks hesitant and is missing with a lot of his punches. Judah lands two solid lefts to close the round. Clear round for Zab. 49-46 Judah.



Nice left hand for Judah early in the round. Zab beginning to open up. Still moving effectively and using his jab to keep Matthysse off of him. Problem is he's not throwing enough power shots. Round goes to Lucas for clean, effective punching. Agree with you here. 58-56 Judah




Zab again moving away from, rolling and blocking a lot of Matthysse's shots. Again controlling the round with his jab. Beautiful counter left hand by Judah. It's a Zab round to me. Boxing very effectively Moving around, throwing the jab, picking his shots and staying out of range of Matthysse. Good display of boxing this round for Judah. Disagree with you here. Cosign Lampley and Roy. 68-65 Judah.




What more needs to be said? Judah's outboxing Matthysse, getting out of range and making him miss. He's landing his jab, and mixing it up with with some solid left hands. Agree with you here. 78-74 Judah



Again, scoring the round for Judah for ring generalship and defense. Scoring with his jab and occasionally hooking off the jab. Neither fighter is landing anything extraordinary. Judah does seem to be wearing down though. Difficult round to score but I'm giving it to Judah for reasons discussed. Got to agree with old man Ledderman. No problem with your score though.88-83 Judah




Clear Matthysse round. Nothing needs to be said. Extra point for the KD.96-93 Judah



Matthysse coming on strong. Where was this in the early rounds though?

105-103 Judah



Another difficult round to score. Judah looks exhusted and is trying to hold on for dear life. Looks like Matthysse landed the more effective shots. Got to agree with you on round 12.

Final score 114-113 Judah Same score I had it before.

Rounds I disagree with your scoring: 2,6,7,9

Sound's like you agree with EVERYTHING Lamply, Roy, Kellerman, and Harold Lederman are saying.

Why dont you try watching the fight with the sound off, better yet just watch round's 7 and 9 with the sound off and tell me that you honestly gave those round's to Judah.

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LOL@ "That" being a completely dominant round. Rounds 10 and 11 were completely dominant rounds. Round 9 was much like the earlier rounds with Zab moving and jabbing and throwing the occasional left. Lucas was more agressive than he was in the earlier rounds. By reading your explanation you favor output which a lot of people do. To me, Lucas was the agressor but looked silly and frustrated missing with those wild shots. Judah was in complete control of this fight up until the 10th. He a good game plan going into the fight, executed it well and was awarded the decision. That's why he got the title shot vs. Khan, that's why he's getting a crack at Garcia in January.

This is not Pacquiao/Bradley, Rios/Abril, Casamayor/Santa Cruz, Holyfield/Lewis. Hell its not even Alexander/Matthysse. Judah won fair and square. People need to stop making excuses for Matthysse.

Amused by the smiley but I already posted my RBR. You obviously disagree. It is what it is.

no i favor landing punches which is what lucas did and a lot more than judah in round 9. it wasn't close at all. judah looked silly getting hammered to the head and body. output don't mean sh-it. have you ever seen my calzaghe-hopkins posts? how was judah in complete control? can you be in complete control when you are being outlanded? makes no sense. having "fancy" footwork and jabbing at gloves doesn't mean you are winning a fight.

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no i favor landing punches which is what lucas did and a lot more than judah in round 9. it wasn't close at all. judah looked silly getting hammered to the head and body. output don't mean sh-it. have you ever seen my calzaghe-hopkins posts? how was judah in complete control? can you be complete control when you are being outlanded? makes no sense. lucas was outlanding judah with power shots throughout the fight. having "fancy" footwork and jabbing at gloves doesn't mean you are winning a fight.

And neither does swinging at air and missing wildly with power shots. He was in control because he fought his fight at his pace. Jab, move, pick his shots carefully and stay out of range. He did that effectively up until round 10 and earned the split decision victory because of it.

Lucas showed him too much respect in the early rounds and it cost him the fight.

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Matthysse beat Devon but lost to Judah in a very close fight

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And neither does swinging at air and missing wildly with power shots. He was in control because he fought his fight at his pace. Jab, move, pick his shots carefully and stay out of range. He did that effectively up until round 10 and earned the split decision victory because of it.

Lucas showed him too much respect in the early rounds and it cost him the fight.

pace doesn't matter. punches matter. how are you in control if you are outlanded by a wide margin in power shots? judah was the one hitting air all night with his jab. well occasionally he hit lucas's gloves. jab, move, get hit, jab, move, get hit, jab, move, get hit, yeah that's some great boxing. how does he do it? good boxing would be jab and actually hit your opponent with the jab, move, then hit him some more while not getting hit with power shots, not sure why that's so hard to understand. you don't simply win because you are moving around the ring. you have to actually do something(hit your opponent) i guess hakkar was schooling hopkins?

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The Judah fight was certainly closer than the Alexander fight but I had Matthysse winning both fights.

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The Judah fight had a few swing rounds, that fight could had gone either way.

The Alexander fight was a straight up robbery.

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The Judah fight had a few swing rounds, that fight could had gone either way.

The Alexander fight was a straight up robbery.

yes it did. but mattyse still clearly won even if you gave judah every one. thus a robbery.

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yes it did. but mattyse still clearly won even if you gave judah every one. thus a robbery.

IMO Lucas is undefeated but don't see the Judah fight like an out right robbery. Judah does jab the shyt out of him in the rounds he won and it wasn't only a few rounds that he did that