Comments Thread For: Kellerman: Donaire Creeping up on Pacquiao's P4P Rank

[littlemac]

According to Max Kellerman and the P4P rankings YES! Same past his prime Cotto that Pac wanted to fight TWICE at a catch weight. Sorry bruh! Manny Pacquiao has been exposed.

You mean ducking a Cotto that Floyd beat.

[GRUSTLER]

if nishioka was not on his level, when did ward ,floyd and martinez fight fighters on their level? name em please!

First offf, Ward basically cleaned out 168. That immediately puts him above Donaire. Floyd is Floyd, he had the spot for the longest and regardless how people feel about Ortiz and Cotto they both held titles and were ranked in their divisions. Floyd is the best and should not be disputed but Ward is creeping up. Martinez moved up to 160 and beat the real champ at Middle weight and has KO'd his last 4 opponents and beat the only other recognize champ in the division Chavez Jr in a shut out with exceptions to the last round. Like I said, I like Donaire as a fighter and think he has great potential but to put him above any of those guys so early in his career is not right in exact. There is an argument for Pacquiao because he hasn't looked impressive at all in his last two fights. Got 1 gift decision and lost another controversial decision but didn't look good doing it even though many thought he won. Pac has been having fighters move up and down weight to make him look good BUT Pacquiao still has a history longer than Donaire so let them fight for the 5th slot. JMM should be above Pacquiao and Donaire.

[cbrown1703]

I just don't think Nonito is all that! He is boring to me.

[danceswithfire]

First offf, Ward basically cleaned out 168. That immediately puts him above Donaire. Floyd is Floyd, he had the spot for the longest and regardless how people feel about Ortiz and Cotto they both held titles and were ranked in their divisions. Floyd is the best and should not be disputed but Ward is creeping up. Martinez moved up to 160 and beat the real champ at Middle weight and has KO'd his last 4 opponents and beat the only other recognize champ in the division Chavez Jr in a shut out with exceptions to the last round. Like I said, I like Donaire as a fighter and think he has great potential but to put him above any of those guys so early in his career is not right in exact. There is an argument for Pacquiao because he hasn't looked impressive at all in his last two fights. Got 1 gift decision and lost another controversial decision but didn't look good doing it even though many thought he won. Pac has been having fighters move up and down weight to make him look good BUT Pacquiao still has a history longer than Donaire so let them fight for the 5th slot. JMM should be above Pacquiao and Donaire.

nope , you said nonito is not worthy of being second or thrd becuase he has not fought guys on his level..thats what you said ..now, when did floyd , ward and martinez do that , meaning fought guys that were on their level ..

based on that logic, ortiz ,chavez junior, kessler etc were the same level as
floyd , martinez and ward..

[Grimgash]

nope , you said nonito is not worthy of being second or thrd becuase he has not fought guys on his level..thats what you said ..now, when did floyd , ward and martinez do that , meaning fought guys that were on their level ..

based on that logic, ortiz ,chavez junior, kessler etc were the same level as
floyd , martinez and ward..

Donaire has more options though, he's not as good a fighter as those 3. To find someone on their level you'd have to have them fight each other. As it is now, theres no one in 147-154 I could see beating Floyd. No one in 168 is beating Ward. Sergio actually has a few options and can move up or down, with a few tough fights at his weight. Hence why he's generally ranked below those two. They fought top contenders / champions and won rather handily, there aren't any other options.

People are talking about a multitude of good fights avail for donaire, while its hard to find a credible opponent for Ward or Mayweather. (Outside of Sergio)

[HeroBando]

Donaire has more options though, he's not as good a fighter as those 3. To find someone on their level you'd have to have them fight each other. As it is now, theres no one in 147-154 I could see beating Floyd. No one in 168 is beating Ward. Sergio actually has a few options and can move up or down, with a few tough fights at his weight. Hence why he's generally ranked below those two. They fought top contenders / champions and won rather handily, there aren't any other options.

People are talking about a multitude of good fights avail for donaire, while its hard to find a credible opponent for Ward or Mayweather. (Outside of Sergio)

Donaire's already been unquestioned best at 112-115, didn't clean out 118 but beat #1, now 1-2 fights away from cleaning out 122. Are you saying you dropped him in the rankings since he went up to bantam?

[danceswithfire]

Donaire has more options though, he's not as good a fighter as those 3. To find someone on their level you'd have to have them fight each other. As it is now, theres no one in 147-154 I could see beating Floyd. No one in 168 is beating Ward. Sergio actually has a few options and can move up or down, with a few tough fights at his weight. Hence why he's generally ranked below those two. They fought top contenders / champions and won rather handily, there aren't any other options.

People are talking about a multitude of good fights avail for donaire, while its hard to find a credible opponent for Ward or Mayweather. (Outside of Sergio)

no . no..there are options it's just that martinez and ward dont wanna move up in weight for challenges like nonito has...and with floyd , you know how floyd is. dont wanna start with that **** tbh..

[Grimgash]

Donaire's already been unquestioned best at 112-115, didn't clean out 118 but beat #1, now 1-2 fights away from cleaning out 122. Are you saying you dropped him in the rankings since he went up to bantam?

No I'm saying Ward and Sergio moved up. Hence why he went down. P4P isn't only what you've done, but its a comparison to what others have. He still looks good but Ward and Sergio look better. Also it's a comparison of how they'd fare against similar opponents / each other at the same weight. You think Donaire being even in weight would beat Floyd, Andre, or Sergio? I really can't see it especially the first two. Sergio maybe because his defense is a lot poorer than the other two. Also theres things we haven't seen like Donaire beating a much larger man like Floyd and Sergio's done. Hence my ranking assessment. You're free to disagree though, and if you want you can give reasoning as to why.

[HeroBando]

No I'm saying Ward and Sergio moved up. Hence why he went down. P4P isn't only what you've done, but its a comparison to what others have. He still looks good but Ward and Sergio look better. Also it's a comparison of how they'd fare against similar opponents / each other at the same weight. You think Donaire being even in weight would beat Floyd, Andre, or Sergio? I really can't see it especially the first two. Sergio maybe because his defense is a lot poorer than the other two. Also theres things we haven't seen like Donaire beating a much larger man like Floyd and Sergio's done. Hence my ranking assessment. You're free to disagree though, and if you want you can give reasoning as to why.

Ward i can see, though it's arguable. But Sergio is on a garbage 4 bout streak in his 2 division (first as a legit champ). There's good fights for him all around, some more feasible than others.

[GRUSTLER]

No I'm saying Ward and Sergio moved up. Hence why he went down. P4P isn't only what you've done, but its a comparison to what others have. He still looks good but Ward and Sergio look better. Also it's a comparison of how they'd fare against similar opponents / each other at the same weight. You think Donaire being even in weight would beat Floyd, Andre, or Sergio? I really can't see it especially the first two. Sergio maybe because his defense is a lot poorer than the other two. Also theres things we haven't seen like Donaire beating a much larger man like Floyd and Sergio's done. Hence my ranking assessment. You're free to disagree though, and if you want you can give reasoning as to why.

I agree with this post. Except Donaire beating Sergio if they were in the same weight class. Sergio is a top fighter and is being slept on.