Marquez Wants More Money Than Manny

[evosbm]

jmm is smart for wanting more money. he is the draw. sure fans like to see pac fight but jmm has the belt so really pac needs him or pac can go fight morales and probably lose for no belt. so if he wants the belt fork over the cash.

one doesnt necessarilly have to follow the guy with the belt. just like what MAB did before when he was the ring magazine people's champ. MAB was bigger than JMM even when JMM had those belts. When did JMM came to light?... it's all coz of Pacman. with JMM's full effort in his first fight with Pacman, all he can have is a lucky draw out of an administrative gift. and now here he comes back still yet to prove his worth but asking for too much. i dont get the point.

[evosbm]

Marquez's performance against Pac proves he is in fact a first-tier Champion. He proved this not only to himself, but to anyone watching that fight. You must give Marquez's titles some credibility, otherwise, why would your boy Pac want them?

Your four "justifiable" reasons are pretty weak.

Sure Pac had Marquez down 3 times in one Round, but then what? You say it was "luck" he survived! Look at some of those lefts Marquez took in Round 1 afterthe 3rd knockdown, that's not luck, it's chin and heart. If Pac was all the Champ you say he is, why could he not finish such a "beaten" man? I know the answer ... because he can't, and won't. He had his chance and blew it. Marquez remained in the fight because he is skilled boxer and fighter, unlike Pac, who gave Marquez nothing different during rounds 2 to 12. Pac was simply out-boxed by a Champion after those intial knockdowns.

You say that Marquez never "threatened" Pac. It's a game of points my friend, not threats. Marquez outpointed Pac over Rounds 2 to 12. It's called Championship Boxing not Championship Threatening.

You mention the judging. Again, it was one point that separated those guys after 12 Rounds. If Pac actually was equipped with the "Class-A" skills you mentioned, he should have never been in that situation. Pac should have used his "Class-A" skills to win that fight by wide margin after the spread he created in Round #1. But,he couldn't pull it out when facing a true first-tier Champ like Marquez.

SUMMARY
For Pac to beat a Champ like Marquez, he needed more than a 10-7 round! What does that say about your man?

man, the way i read your post it seemed like Pac beat your champ Marquez and failed to finish it. your like saying Marquez is a tough punching bag and its cool to see a champ KDed 3x in first round. is that some good quality champ that we should be amazed of? i give respect to JMM for coming back but getting those 3 KDs in the 1st round isnt just good to any champ. now, what if i rephrase your statement... if your champ realy is that good, how come he was KDed in the 1st round not once, not twice, but 3x! and if Marquez is realy a champ, howcome he failed to dominate Pacman? and if he realy is a good champ, why havent he got at least the controvertial 1 point lead on his side? and howcome Pacman can play a cleaner fight than JMM by avoiding too many low blows like JMM did? i guess your champ had to resort to those just to gain advantage huh?

[JaNnO]

Not sure if you're calling me a dumbass or not, but whatever.
There have been many times while watching a fight on TV that I've heard the crowd boo and asked myself exactly WHO or WHAT they were booing, cause I didnt see either fighter doing anything that deserved it. That was my point!

he-he... ...i knew you would say that...i'm not calling you dumb (i wouldn't say that to a nice person like you)...i was only saying that if somebody is watching the fight in the arena with other spectators around him...it is highly unlikely not to know who those boos are meant for.

[Moon]

man, the way i read your post it seemed like Pac beat your champ Marquez and failed to finish it. your like saying Marquez is a tough punching bag and its cool to see a champ KDed 3x in first round.

First, he's not my Champ, he simply displayed Champion stuff by overcoming that 10-7 first Round. I chose Pac to win this fight and actually wanted to see him prove that the hype the kept building after Lebwada was not empty. I was rootin' for Pac. He' still a great fighter, but lost some lustre by not finishing Marquez.

For Pac to be a Champion, he must beat the Champ (not former Champs). He didn't do that against Marquez, but proved he's is definitely a speedy hard hitter, but seemed to lack the ring smarts and skills to take advantrage of an apparently "beaten" man.

[JaNnO]

First, he's not my Champ, he simply displayed Champion stuff by overcoming that 10-7 first Round. I chose Pac to win this fight and actually wanted to see him prove that the hype the kept building after Lebwada was not empty. I was rootin' for Pac. He' still a great fighter, but lost some lustre by not finishing Marquez.

For Pac to be a Champion, he must beat the Champ (not former Champs). He didn't do that against Marquez, but proved he's is definitely a speedy hard hitter, but seemed to lack the ring smarts and skills to take advantrage of an apparently "beaten" man.

nicely said munn, however he may have lost some luster to your eyes but not to all, he still remains ahead of mab and jmm in the p4p rankings. in fact some experts moved him up the ladder...

[evosbm]

First, he's not my Champ, he simply displayed Champion stuff by overcoming that 10-7 first Round. I chose Pac to win this fight and actually wanted to see him prove that the hype the kept building after Lebwada was not empty. I was rootin' for Pac. He' still a great fighter, but lost some lustre by not finishing Marquez.

For Pac to be a Champion, he must beat the Champ (not former Champs). He didn't do that against Marquez, but proved he's is definitely a speedy hard hitter, but seemed to lack the ring smarts and skills to take advantrage of an apparently "beaten" man.

ok i see. am a pac fan too but i dont want to sound biased. its just that i know what pac is realy capable of doing. and we cant justify that when he's partially disabled. plus the fact that on the 2nd round, JMM was no longer a beaten fighter coz he was saved by the bell on the 1st and had his rest.on the 2nd round, he just had a broken nose but can still give his full capacity to throw his punches. better than an injured fist. anyway this is why this rematch is happening. pac wanted this rematch very badly to prove himself from the 1st while JMM tried to avoid it but theres just no escape. this is why JMM should be more careful coz Pacman's gonna kill him and send him to kingdom come.

[tracylee]

he-he... ...i knew you would say that...i'm not calling you dumb (i wouldn't say that to a nice person like you)...i was only saying that if somebody is watching the fight in the arena with other spectators around him...it is highly unlikely not to know who those boos are meant for.

I've yet to see a fight live..it's always been on the tv. So sometimes it's kinda hard to tell just who or what the crowd is booing.
Like I have said over and over...JMM has (and had before Pac) plenty of fans and to claim otherwise is an insult to him and all the hard work he has put in. Also, I still think that he completely outboxed Manny in the first fight..almost every single round after the 2nd. I'm sticking to that..PERIOD.
I really hate that I can post how amazing Pacs power is, and how if he'd work on improving his technique he'd be pure hell to deal with..yet none of Pacs fans (or none on this thread) can find it in themselves to give JMM just an ounce of credit and/or respect. And it's even worse that that..he get's insulted and his style of boxing is called a style for "*******"...that kind of crap is enough to make his fans dislike Pac completely, which is unfair to him. I'll be so damn glad when this rematch happens..just to prove to some of you that JMM is a great boxer...and doesnt have to rely on knockouts to win.

[JaNnO]

I've yet to see a fight live..it's always been on the tv. So sometimes it's kinda hard to tell just who or what the crowd is booing.
Like I have said over and over...JMM has (and had before Pac) plenty of fans and to claim otherwise is an insult to him and all the hard work he has put in. Also, I still think that he completely outboxed Manny in the first fight..almost every single round after the 2nd. I'm sticking to that..PERIOD.
I really hate that I can post how amazing Pacs power is, and how if he'd work on improving his technique he'd be pure hell to deal with..yet none of Pacs fans (or none on this thread) can find it in themselves to give JMM just an ounce of credit and/or respect. And it's even worse that that..he get's insulted and his style of boxing is called a style for "*******"...that kind of crap is enough to make his fans dislike Pac completely, which is unfair to him. I'll be so damn glad when this rematch happens..just to prove to some of you that JMM is a great boxer...and doesnt have to rely on knockouts to win.

i give jmm credits for his hard work and dedication to boxing and winning. i recognize him as one of the best counter-punchers around (not the best boxer tho). i admire his heart to overcome the 3-kds he suffered with pac.

i think i said these in some of my posts on this board.

[tracylee]

i give jmm credits for his hard work and dedication to boxing and winning. i recognize him as one of the best counter-punchers around (not the best boxer tho). i admire his heart to overcome the 3-kds he suffered with pac.

i think i said these in some of my posts on this board.

Maybe you did, I just didnt see them. If so, all apologies. And dont call me dumb again or I'll kick your ass!!!

[evosbm]

I've yet to see a fight live..it's always been on the tv. So sometimes it's kinda hard to tell just who or what the crowd is booing.
Like I have said over and over...JMM has (and had before Pac) plenty of fans and to claim otherwise is an insult to him and all the hard work he has put in. Also, I still think that he completely outboxed Manny in the first fight..almost every single round after the 2nd. I'm sticking to that..PERIOD.
I really hate that I can post how amazing Pacs power is, and how if he'd work on improving his technique he'd be pure hell to deal with..yet none of Pacs fans (or none on this thread) can find it in themselves to give JMM just an ounce of credit and/or respect. And it's even worse that that..he get's insulted and his style of boxing is called a style for "*******"...that kind of crap is enough to make his fans dislike Pac completely, which is unfair to him. I'll be so damn glad when this rematch happens..just to prove to some of you that JMM is a great boxer...and doesnt have to rely on knockouts to win.

hi! its been a while. i'd like to see what you mean in their rematch but it seems like Marquez is just not serious enough in proving that. all that runs through his mind now is the big purse just incase he loses. he keeps on insisting that his two belts are at steak thats why he deserve the money. how many times did he fight with his two belts at steak? did he ver demanded for such big purse? if not why on a rematch with Pacman? i respect your feelings about JMM. but if JMM himself have respect for himself, he wouldn't be using such ****** reasons to threaten the rematch. i give respect for what he showed in their last fight but not on this case where his honor is on the money alone and not on taking the fight. peace. Happy New Year.