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Originally posted by adrsan84
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as long as that paycheck is fat, roach will take the abuse... no one should blame him... chavez jr's training schedule is garbage -
I think this time Roach was actually giving the right instructions to Jr, but the kid wasn't listening.Comment
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Entire Chavez family was yelling over him.Originally posted by vacon04 View Post
Really hard to get a word in edgewise against loud Mexicans.Comment
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Why is everyone hating on Roach all the time? He has Parkinson's, give it a rest guys. He's a millionaire I'm sure he's fine with a bunch of keyboard warriors making fun of him on a forum.Comment
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Never rated Freddie but Chavez Jr is just not a good boxer.Limited fighters achieve great things when they work harder but he is neither a good boxer or hard worker
Freddie always seems to use the "we underestimated him" excuse which really is his fault as head trainer.The thing is Pacquiao Kahn and Chavez are all flawed fighters do maybe they could have been a lot worse without him in their corner
I do find it strange for a trainer at his level to have no respect for the jabComment
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Roach is having a terrible year, but in reality..... Manny beat Timmy and was robbed (i understand alot of people believe Manny robbed Marquez, but that doesn't mean that the fight between Bradley and PacMan was scored correctly).... Manny was robbed, Khan is chinny, we all knew that, and he got caught... Chavez Jr has been overrrated for a long time, he's just now getting good, but he's nowhere near Martinez level.
So really, Roaches two flawed projects (khan and chavez) lost... and Manny was robbed... Not a great year, and if he didn't stretch himself so thin he'd probably do better... but I don't see this as a sign that he's a **** coach or anythingComment
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year still aint over, manny losing the third to marquez and his other hypeboy vanes is getting koed by laraComment
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wasnt that chavez sr telling jr "now now now"? in like start fighting now sonOriginally posted by adrsan84 View PostComment
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No, Chavez Jr. said "Ya ya ya" to someone outside of the ring, which was not Roach. I think it was his father bitching at him. He basically said "okay okay okay", as if he doesn't care to listen.Originally posted by elgranluchadore View PostComment
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Freddie talks a lot of sh-t so he brings some of the hate upon himself.
But most of it is real ******.
Does anyone remember how utterly awful Jr. used to be, when he was labouring to SD wins against Matt Vanda? He's actually shown a ton of improvement since he hooked up with Roach. I'm sure that some of that improvement was down to naturally maturing as a fighter (he is basically learning on the job, since he had no AM fights). But is there any doubt he's been improving from fight to fight since he's been with Freddie? Does anyone think that Chavez Sr, who is heavily involved his Jr's training camps, would allow Freddie to keep taking his 10% if he was a hopeless fraud?
But hey. F-ck it. Let's disregard all that and go with the simple narrative that Roach is sh-t cos he's got no champs in his stable anymore.
Never mind that the love child of Eddie Futch and Ray Arcell could not have made Jr. somehow beat a fighter Sergio last night. Most people on here knew Jr. would not win, yet still want to blame Roach for an outcome that was fairly obvious?
Boxing fans are simpletons. I despair whenever I see a fighter get KOd and then they all recommend the fighter goes with Floyd Sr, who is gonna make them Willie Pep within an 8 week training camp.
Floyd Sr being the guy who hasn't coached a champ in how long? Since Hatton got flattened? And before that?
There is a discussion to be had about Roach's status as an elite trainer. But it's hard to have it here, when you've got Floomos hating on Roach due to association, and others who think Naazim Richardson is a better coach than Freddie
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