Vitali's ATG Ranking?

[StarshipTrooper]

You got more jokes.. son? I take that as a FULL & complete comp that i've gotten to all of you's.

Sorry, but comic book cartoon characters like you who felch nuggets out of their fav fighter's azz don't "get to me". You can take some consolation in the fact that I DO enjoy laughing at you.....Son :hahahaha9:

Poet

[chloelloyd]

Vitali is a great champion and a great role model.


There is no ****ing way he is ranked ahead of Lewis by anyone with an IQ over 5 though.


It is not his fault, IT IS THE FAULT OF HIS ERA. Also Lennox Lewis was fighting in a 4 men tournament for the BEST HW IN THE WORLD CLAIM in 1992 for God's Sake.

1992.. and he was going for the top HW Honors. Yet Lewis Haters want him to CONTINUE FIGHTING 12-13 YEARS LATER? **** that ****.

[StarshipTrooper]

Sanders was a part-time Golfer.

Correction: Sanders was a full-time golfer, part-time fighter :chuckle9:

Poet

[chloelloyd]

I admit Lennox should maybe have given VK a rematch.

But to say that Vitali is on his way to winning that fight is delusional. Nobody, not Ali,not Lennox, not Prime Tyson could have won against an elite fighter with one eye damaged like that. Lewis was smelling blood and would have ended that fight in Rounds 7-10.


That being said, it was not a Prime Lewis AND IT WAS NOT a prime Vitali.

It was a past prime physically, unprepared Lewis vs a not yet fully experienced Vitali.

[jtcs1981]

How is it that beating another career Cruiser in David Haye will improve his resume so tremendously? The same people that criticize this era are saying that beating a guy with no credible wins in HW will solidify Vitali career. It doesnt make sense to me. A great talent like Vitali dont have the chance to prove due to the weak competition right now. C'est la vie.

[jimmy1569]

Copy and Paste.

I got Vitali as an ATG Top 15 and TOP 5 H2H.

But let's not go overboard with the Lennox Lewis hate. You and this 'Mike Tyson' poster character (the fake Tyson fan)


Lewis have the honor of being the only modern day heavyweight to defeat every man he ever faced. He avenged both his fluke defeats in spectacular fashion and have a great resume.
In the case of Lennox, it is not 1 or 2 wins that stands out but his amazing collective body of work that really puts him ahead of the pack. Lewis in his 15th fight fought a undefeated power puncher name Gary Mason. Gary Mason was 35-0 with 34 Knock outs. Let's think for a moment about just how special that is.

Gary Mason's 'padded record' stage consists Tyrell Biggs, James Tillis, Lorenzo Boyd, Alfonzo Ratliff, Ricky Parkey, Donnie Long, James Pritchard, Mark Wills, Everett Martin, Louis Pergaud, Hughroy Currie, Terry Armstrong, David Jaco and Jess Harding. Compare those fights to the fighters Detontay Wilder knocked out and you will see the sheer skill difference between the two.
Mason had a 99% knock out ratio heading into the Lewis fight. Lewis was a virtual youngster and he ended up knocking out the knock out artist.

Lewis went on to ko Biggs and Weaver and put up a string of very good performances before entering a 4 men elimination tournament which consisted of

Bowe-Holyfield
Lewis-Ruddock.
Razer Ruddock was one of the most feared punchers in the division and a solid favorite to beat the relatively unknown Brit. Lennox ended up destroying Ruddock in 2 rounds. What followed was one of the most despicable acts known to mankind as Riddick Big ***** Bowe decided to duck Lennox and throw his belt into the trashcan. Cheating Lewis of a possible career defining trilogy. Bowe was dominated by Lewis in the Olympics and never ever wanted to get within 200 miles of Lewis's fists ever again.
Lewis lost motivation, but still managed to come from behind and knock out Frank Bruno (who is a very solid HW and would have been champion today). He also beat Tony Tucker, who is one of the most under rated heavies of the last 3 eras, Tucker went the distance with a prime Tyson and had Tyson fighting confused for stretches.

He lost to Oliver Mccall via a debatable stoppage, regrouped and came back to dominate another underrated fighter in Tommy Morrison. Prime Ray Mercer followed. I hear some people joke about how Mercer was a split decision nail biting fight. These people don't know **** about boxing and should re watch the fight. The match was close and a prime Mercer fought his heart out, but lost steam starting from Round 5 and was eating Lewis right hands, combinations, along with long jabs to the face again and again.
Lewis-Mercer was a very competitive 7-3 affair.

Lewis went on to beat Mccall in the rematch, Lennox caused some sort of mental melt down from Mccall(some people say drugs, I say Lewis's right hand)
Lennox went on to KO the very feared Golota in one round. Golota beat the living crap out of Riddick Bowe for 2 straight fights. His low blows was disgraceful, but it don't change the fact Golota won 90% of the rounds and beat Bowe half to death.
Lewis was a under dog and knocked out Golota in 1 round.

Željko Mavrović was a undefeated iron chin super champion from Europe and Lennox beat him 9-3. At best you can say it was a 8-4 fight. Zeljko had a lot of talent, heart and chin. What happened after the Lewis fight was a shame, a damn shame. To this day, Lewis was the only guy to have beaten Mavrovic, so many others tried, they all failed. With the exception of Lennox.
Prime Shannon Briggs was knocked down numerous times and destroyed by Lennox in the fifth. Some of the most surreal shoulder roll defense was shown by Lewis in that fight. A decade later, a shot Briggs went 12 with a Prime Vitali.

Lewis dominated and embarrassed a still elite Holyfield and won 10-2 on every score card imaginable to the human race. He was cheated by sand Devil Demon Don King. He went on to beat Holyfield again, albeit not as dominant as the first time.

Michael Grant was hyped beyond belief. This ****er was the original Lucian Bute of the HW'S and he was Froched by Lennox. Grant was also 6'8 and a giant super HW with great athletic abilities. People say Golota and Grant didn't do anything after Lennox fought them, of course they didn't. Lewis broke them, they were done.

Lennox went on to fight murderous super puncher David Tua and made Tua look like some kind of fat sparring partner. I had it 12-0 Lewis in the widest most dominant performance of all times when it comes to UD'S.

If you think Wladimir dominated Haye, go watch Lewis-Tua, that is what true domination is all about. Oh btw, that version of Tua would have knocked out Haye in 4-5 Rounds tops.

Lewis avenged his defeat against Rahman by throwing quite possibly one of the most ruthless 1-2 in boxing history and went on to dominate Mike Tyson. Lewis vs Mike is like Calzaghe vs Jones.
Both Mike and Jones was shot, but Calzaghe and Lewis were past their best days as well.

Lennox retired by beating Vitali, despite being a very fat 256+ and heavily under trained. HBO repeatly mentioned how fat and how under conditioned Lewis looked.
Lewis against a Prime Vitali was a war and Lennox was coming on strong in the end. Rounds 4-6, Lennox was pouring it on and Vitali would not have survived past the 8th if the fight was not stopped. Lewis ducked a rematch. But he won the first fight and would have won EVEN without the stoppage. He did avoid a rematch though.


Lennox also now have 156 million dollars, guys like Bowe and Holyfield are dead broke, fat, unhealthy and probably diseased. Tyson was broke too until Hollywood helped him out.

Lol..... copy & paste? Were you talking about your post. You A Lewis diehard. ain't you son? I must admit that was impressive & you were pretty much on the ball as i've watched Lewis fights as well when he became champion. I disagree with your Mccall II VERDICT...... he was in a zombie state as he walked into the boxing ring... tried to get a little adrenaline going (in other words trick himself into thinking.. perhaps he can KO Lewis again even in dire straights) He got discouraged after about two rds & started weaping not wanting to put the mental & physical effort that it would take to complete the bout.



For stretches he was taking Lewis bombs without even defending himself.... if I was Lewis i would've been embarassed to throw punches at a fighter who's NOT even pretending to play D.. while he did outbox Mccall for a a couple of rds... this W IS AS LEGIT AS Byrd's OVER vITALI... so claimin revenge when you were ktfo & then got retribution with a drug residued tko is NOT WHAT i call revenge.. What i do call REVENGE is the RAHMAN oNE .. THAT was EXACTING revenge in the same devestating manner.

Yes lennox beat some very good names but he also showed he was vulnerable in a handful of fights.. Holyfield II... HE DIDN'T earn.. Evander was the one catching him with the telling blows & was the aggressor. Yes Lewis dominated the first bout but didn't get the nod bu.. perhaps at worse both results should've been flipflopped. Lewis landed more shots than Holy & jabs & was more consistent late but it was Holyfield who took it to him & had him hurt as well on shaky legs in the 7th rd.


As for the Vitali fight..... Vitali was willing to die Not TO BE stopped by Lewis no matter what Lewis threw at him... was ALWAYS fighting back throughout the 6 rds.. so i do NOT agree with him being ko'ed in the further rds.. ofcourse anything could've happened but Vitali in the condition he was in couldn't be ko'ed without a doctor's hand in it.



Vitali has NEVER been stopped by a referee's call or when fighting was commencing. Lewis haD BEEN CALLED out twice by the referee & had tasted canvas respectively. This means Lewis was MORE experienced in that department... now ofcourse he had a little advantage with the condition Vitali was in..... but he received nearly 60 more blows to the head.. was dead tired & was the one exerting his bullets trying to ko Vitali & at that point you could say they were both dead tired & the stamina was almsot equall for both.. although Lewis was the one throwing the kitchen sink & Vitali was tieing him up & putting his weight on him right at the bell... so momentum.. stamina Klitschko's makeup condition... to be honest.. weighing all of it...


i'd say they would've come out even steven for the 7th with Vitali having the same physical handicap he had in the past 3 rds... nothing more & nothing less..



The fight.. despite Vitali's ginormous lacerations was fought at a 50/50 level when Vitali's cut became signifant.. this takes into account LL'S flurry at the end.. but when there was no cut it was being fought at 75/25 clip or 70/30 for Vitali.. Cut was valid for 3.5 rds.... & non existant for about 2.5 rds.. In other words about 60% of the fight.. Vitali was fighting with the physical handicap of bleeding in th eye region & still managed to be even with LL in that state.

[Mike Tyson77]

If you only think of Vitali as a great boxer....youve missed alot. Vitali is more than just a man of honor....he's one of the greatest role models of our time. A man who stands up for his country and the little people. Vitali worked hard for everything he has, NOTHING was givin to him. I look up to the man, he's a hero.

[jimmy1569]

If you only think of Vitali as a great boxer....youve missed alot. Vitali is more than just a man of honor....he's one of the greatest role models of our time. A man who stands up for his country and the little people. Vitali worked hard for everything he has, NOTHING was givin to him. I look up to the man, he's a hero.

What's NOT to like... the man is a bada$$ so much so he can quit a fight he's winning with one hand tied behind his back.. secure enough in his masculinity to do so but called a quitter & heartless & in his very next title bout be the complete opposite... we were talking revenge on another thread... who has ever done such a make over in consecutive title bouts? The answer is no one but him..... perhaps knowing what we do know about the man now.. we can actually view the Byrd fight in it's proper light & that it was indeed a courageous act to give up his belt to potentially secure his future... not many would've done this.. (not many would've used there head).... This man has a LOT of heart & perhaps some of this was used indeed for the Byrd fight as well. Just a little food for thought.

[sammiza567]

top 10 for sure. would like a big win over haye to solidify it. solid stat that stands out to me is that he has never been behind in a fight on the cards. people say weak era. I say well, that's what a great fighter does in a weak era, what they are supposed to do, dominate. only 2 losses come from injury, both fights up on the cards. that is the definition of great.

[Mr.Fantastic]

How is it that beating another career Cruiser in David Haye will improve his resume so tremendously? The same people that criticize this era are saying that beating a guy with no credible wins in HW will solidify Vitali career. It doesnt make sense to me. A great talent like Vitali dont have the chance to prove due to the weak competition right now. C'est la vie.

If you know anything about boxing you should know that many of HWs have won against CWs. It's hilarious people ditch on the Klits for fighting a CW but yet turn and praise a guy they like for doing the same thing. Shit Evander was a CW once and washed up like Tyson but they salivate over Lewis beating them.