Where do you rank Harry Greb?

[Juof]

Yeah, I still have belief there is some Greb footage out there. Unlikely, I know. But I'm a dreamer

20 or so years ago there were rumours that footage of Greb-Walker was around. Whether or not they were true or not, who knows.

I know Jim Jacobs said he didn't have any in his archive. I believe it was Jacobs who had the sparring footage we see here, in his archive until it was released also around 20 or so years ago, give or take.

I hope one day, we get to see some. I'd love to see the Tunney fights.

Imagine if they accidentally taped tysons sparring sessions over it >.<

[Mike190684]

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[Juof]

What if greb was the past equivalent to today's Charlie zelenoff people will look at zelenoffs resume 100 years from now and see mayweather on it and start putting zelenoff @ #1 p4p goat.... I'm just trolling
The fighters from old set the blue print to how we box today. as time goes on techniques change and there's evidence of it today go back to the amateur days when Ali was in the Olympics no one danced around the ring nowadays every amateur is on his toes bouncing around it's just the way it is. I won't be surprised if the shoulder roll is what everyone will learn in years to come

[Godsfly]

that's what undoubtedly seals his greatness for me. there's no way he was a bum in order to be able to do that. no way.

no way is greb a "bum" thats not what some people are arguing. greb is a ATG. but i will never be able to put him in my top 5. (& i don't understand where the outrage is coming from)

my top 5

robinson
armnstrong
pep
joe louis
ali

these are all fighters who have massive resumes & have the footage to match..........why would someone get angry because of this (not talking about you) but for the people who do.

grebs just not a top 5 ATG for me...........

[New England]

it's just evolution, there will always be someone better than the next

not if the sport loses popularity and talent, which boxing certainly has.

[Japanese Boxing]

not if the sport loses popularity and talent, which boxing certainly has.

Let us not forget many trainers didn't get to share all of their knowledge before they died either. Or their knowledge was spread out through so many fighters that it got diluted or forgotten when fighters felt it wasn't necessary when they taught other fighters.

I think boxing is fascinating in that sense. To think guys from 100 years ago could be competitive today is jaw dropping and interesting to think about. The basic principles are all there. Floyd Mayweather doesn't do anything different then those guys did either.

[Poet682006]

Let us not forget many trainers didn't get to share all of their knowledge before they died either. Or their knowledge was spread out through so many fighters that it got diluted or forgotten when fighters felt it wasn't necessary when they taught other fighters.

I think boxing is fascinating in that sense. To think guys from 100 years ago could be competitive today is jaw dropping and interesting to think about. The basic principles are all there. Floyd Mayweather doesn't do anything different then those guys did either.

That "shoulder roll" that peeps are creaming their jeans over dates back to the 1940s. Floyd doesn't really do anything that's new ffs.

Poet

[Godsfly]

That "shoulder roll" that peeps are creaming their jeans over dates back to the 1940s. Floyd doesn't really do anything that's new ffs.

Poet

wha!?

who used the shoulder roll in the 1940's

the only fighter that comes to my mind is nicolino locche but he fought in the 60's

????????

[Godsfly]

That "shoulder roll" that peeps are creaming their jeans over dates back to the 1940s. Floyd doesn't really do anything that's new ffs.

Poet

& mayweather does the shoulder roll more impressive then anyone I've ever seen (besides prime toney)

mayweathers roll is perfected to his style.......thats not the impressive part about mayweather to me. I like the way he can anticipate a punch & make you miss with cat reflexes (mixed up with the defense)

as their style progresses each fighter does their own little things thats "new"

boxers have their own little traits in which you can easily pick them out of the bunch.........i can't even find a fighter that has 70% of alis style (all of my years watching the sport) & when a fighter looks very close to another fighter it's beyond rare.............

thats like saying basketball players do nothing "new" from the past (as a game no. because the game remains the same. score points) but as a individual yes. can you find me a past player that looked like Michael jordan? maybe you're able to find 1 or 2 traits but no where near jordans complete style (& nine times out of 10 those 1 or 2 traits really doesn't look like the way jordan did it) even in a video game....when you play with jordan you know it's meant to be him. you know that it's meant to be his uniqueness & style..............

so in closing mayweather does do things "new" that separates him from other fighters. it's what makes him recognizable as mayweather........

[Poet682006]

wha!?

who used the shoulder roll in the 1940's

the only fighter that comes to my mind is nicolino locche but he fought in the 60's

????????

Both Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore used it.

Poet