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  • The Big Dunn
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    #31
    Originally posted by bojangles1987
    Leonard-Hearns happened when both were young and at their peaks. It could afford what delay there was.

    And yes, Leonard-Hagler was not half the fight it might have been if Leonard had never suffered his eye injury and retired. That fight suffered because of what happened. Not to mention its not the same situation as what we are seeing right now. Leonard fighting Hagler was something unbelievable, an ATG fighter moving up in weight to fight a guy another ATG who had run middleweight for a decade. It wasn't necessary, it was a treat.

    Pacquiao-Mayweather have been in the same division for 3 years. It's been necessary for 3 years. It's been possible for 2 and a half years. It won't be a treat if/when it does happen, we will all be saying, "It's about damn time."
    I think your answer is NO, it wasn't. Thats what I'm getting at. Delays have always been a part of boxing. Its just now the dead time is filled with debates from fringe fans.

    Oh yeah, That eye injury had little to do with SRL throwing a press conf, inviting Hagler to the arena, and retiring. cmon bojangles. The fight was possible fore at least 3 and half years.

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    • bojangles1987
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      #32
      Originally posted by Big Dunn
      I think your answer is NO, it wasn't. Thats what I'm getting at. Delays have always been a part of boxing. Its just now the dead time is filled with debates from fringe fans.

      Oh yeah, That eye injury had little to do with SRL throwing a press conf, inviting Hagler to the arena, and retiring. cmon bojangles. The fight was possible fore at least 3 and half years.
      I don't know how you got no out of my post.

      Again, Leonard-Hagler would have been better if Leonard said he was going to fight Hagler at that press conference. It wasn't the same fight because of the delay. When it happened, it was an unexpected treat, a huge fight because no one expected it to happen. Leonard had retired. If it had happened earlier? When Leonard was at the top of the world still? We're talking super mega ultra fight that has little comparison.

      That isn't the same situation as Mayweather-Pacquiao. Nor is Leonard-Hearns.

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      • 4Corners
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        #33
        Mayweather and Pacquiao are still two of the top 3 fighters in the sport. It's still a huge fight, and will cement the winner as the best of their era, hands down.

        They are both past their prime-still good, same as Leonard and Hagler were.

        Most people on here would have you believe that Manny has slipped so damn much since 2010 and is on his way to being Roy Jones past it, seriously. That's how dumb and out of control Manny being "past it" has gotten.

        Floyd is coming off going up in weight and beating the #1 SWW by a wide decision, and Manny is coming off what should have been a comfortable decision win over a Top 10 P4P and unbeaten fighter.

        Sure, Floyd isn't at his absolute prime, but he really hasn't been since 2007 if were being honest here. He's still about the same guy he was against Marquez and Mosley. And Sure, Manny isn't the same fighter he was in 2009, his last prime year, but he's pretty much the same guy he was in 2010. Only difference is he wasn't fighting Clottey, who was a human punching bag that night, or Margarito, who was well past it and stood right in front of him all night. He fought Marquez and Bradley, two fighters who aren't going to just tand there in front of him and willingly get tagged over and over.

        It's still a huge fight. I honestly feel some of these posters are just ready to down play this if Floyd beats Manny.
        Last edited by 4Corners; 08-14-2012, 10:52 AM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by bojangles1987
          I don't know how you got no out of my post.

          Again, Leonard-Hagler would have been better if Leonard said he was going to fight Hagler at that press conference. It wasn't the same fight because of the delay. When it happened, it was an unexpected treat, a huge fight because no one expected it to happen. Leonard had retired. If it had happened earlier? When Leonard was at the top of the world still? We're talking super mega ultra fight that has little comparison.

          That isn't the same situation as Mayweather-Pacquiao. Nor is Leonard-Hearns.
          they are not exactly the same I agree. My point is the delay didn't make either fight less important and I don't think the delay will make this fight less important.

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            #35
            Mayweather doesn't need tune up fights he is the elite of the elite. He can fight anyone 147-154 and most likely win.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Big Dunn
              they are not exactly the same I agree. My point is the delay didn't make either fight less important and I don't think the delay will make this fight less important.
              i think it does. people wanted this fight in 09. 3 years down the line and there isnt the same interest anymore. both fighters have also seemed to lose a bit.

              sort of like mayweather cotto, its still a good win for mayweather, but would have been better if it was in 08 right after mayweather beat hatton, and cotto beat mosley. both were undefeated and in their prime.

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                #37
                Originally posted by shade darkar
                i think it does. people wanted this fight in 09. 3 years down the line and there isnt the same interest anymore. both fighters have also seemed to lose a bit.

                sort of like mayweather cotto, its still a good win for mayweather, but would have been better if it was in 08 right after mayweather beat hatton, and cotto beat mosley. both were undefeated and in their prime.
                ok but I don't.

                doesn't mean the fight would have been good. many think floyds decline made the cotto fight more exciting. Even so, floyd won 9-3. No disrespect to miguel, but in 05-05 he made a wise move to avoid floyd.
                Last edited by The Big Dunn; 08-14-2012, 11:24 AM. Reason: changed 08 to 05-06

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                • 4Corners
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by shade darkar
                  i think it does. people wanted this fight in 09. 3 years down the line and there isnt the same interest anymore. both fighters have also seemed to lose a bit.

                  sort of like mayweather cotto, its still a good win for mayweather, but would have been better if it was in 08 right after mayweather beat hatton, and cotto beat mosley. both were undefeated and in their prime.
                  A little bit, but not all that much. Pac has looked less sensational because of the last two fighters he faced, and because Shane literally ran and didn't engage the last 9 rounds.

                  I think March 2010 was the earliest Floyd-Pac could have happened. So if it's Spring 2013 that it does, it's 3 years down the line. Both are past their prime-still good, and it still cements the winner as the best fighter of their era. It's not like Jones-Hopkins II, or something like that. Leonard and Hagler weren't prime either, were more than a few years removed from that as well, and it was still huge.

                  It may not have the hype it would have had in March 2010, but both fighters aren't really that far removed from what they were in 2010 at all. The only difference is Pac fought Clottey and Margarito in 2010, and he fought Marquez and Bradley his last two times out.

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                  • 4Corners
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Big Dunn
                    ok but I don't.

                    doesn't mean the fight would have been good. many think floyds decline made the cotto fight more exciting. Even so, floyd won 9-3. No disrespect to miguel, but in 08 he made a wise move to avoid floyd.
                    I don't think either fighter avoided that fight. I think Top Rank had something to do with it obviously. Floyd had wanted Cotto in 05-06, but Top Rank said Cotto wasn't ready yet, even though he was in his prime and a Top fighter those years. It wasn't until Floyd talked up retiring that Top Rank started the Floyd ducking Cotto thing. They both fought when they were past their prime-still good, and once Cotto left Top Rank, it was done.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by 4Corners
                      I don't think either fighter avoided that fight. I think Top Rank had something to do with it obviously. Floyd had wanted Cotto in 05-06, but Top Rank said Cotto wasn't ready yet, even though he was in his prime and a Top fighter those years. It wasn't until Floyd talked up retiring that Top Rank started the Floyd ducking Cotto thing. They both fought when they were past their prime-still good, and once Cotto left Top Rank, it was done.
                      yeah i edited original post to say 05-06.

                      No avoided didn't mean duck. It just meant cotto made a smart business decision. In the end, he fought floyd, lost, but made about 4 times what he would have.

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