What's Worse: Pacquiao draining Cotto by 2 lbs, Or Ward draining Dawson by 7 lbs?

[Weebler I]

Ward is a ***** and there is no denying that just listen to what Shaw says

What's the word censored? I guess that video confirms Ward refused to meet him halfway. That surprised me as iirc Dawson said in an interview he wanted the fight at 168.

[HeroBando]

Again you see something that isn't there, but that should be expected. What's pretty obvious is that Pacman won't fight Cotto (a man he destroyed), when Cotto's healthy.

But somehow you find it necessary to compare Cotto asking for catchweight to fight a man that destroyed him? BTW was there even 1?? I find it funny that you claim I'm hung up on them when it's you who keeps bringing it up, even though my discrepancies lie with Pacman Margarito, (which I've repeatedly told you but somehow you still don't get).

And yes, 150 requested, 153 settled on, lmao. You'd think a catchweight warrior would have noticed. So that's why I haven't seen hundreds of post from you about this, you're just not well informed. Well you know now, so get to work.

Holy ****, I didn't even realize Cotto asked for a rehydration clause:

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...onio-margarito

[allupnem]

This whole thing is ****** Pacquaio didn't make Cotto do anything. Cotto agreed just like Dawson has

[Bushbaby]

If Cotto is not comfortable at 147, he doesn't fight Pac, no big deal. Cotto's weight gain is not Pac's concern, he's a tiny stubby sww anyway (asking for 150 cws against divisional bums lol). Who else is Pac supposed to accommodate, Sergio, Guillermo Jones?

I think Pac beats Cotto at any reasonable weight. If Cotto got him too fat where all his speed was gone, that sure he has a chance. Apparently you agreed with me until revisionism kicked in with the Marg fight. Did it make you rewatch Cotto Pac in slomo, you saw Cotto outboxing him all night long before gassing?

So you're proud of Cotto for stepping into his 3rd weightclass against a 1 legged rabbi, and are disappointed with Pac for not moving up to his 8th? Why am I not surprised?

Pacman is supposed to be greater than Cotto. But Cotto has done things that the greater fighter dare not. Wow!! Cotto fought & beat a real 154lb champion. Pacman got arum to dig up a disgraced welterweight for his title at 154. Cotto fought gamely & competitive against Floyd, Pacman won't even fight him. Now Pacman went & asked for the Cotto rematch but wanted Cotto to come down to welterweight to do it & didn't even have the decency to give up more than 1 lb. All this from arguably the greatest fighter of this generation?? Talk about accommodating, wow.

[HeroBando]

Pacman is supposed to be greater than Cotto. But Cotto has done things that the greater fighter dare not. Wow!! Cotto fought & beat a real 154lb champion. Pacman got arum to dig up a disgraced welterweight for his title at 154. Cotto fought gamely & competitive against Floyd, Pacman won't even fight him. Now Pacman went & asked for the Cotto rematch but wanted Cotto to come down to welterweight to do it & didn't even have the decency to give up more than 1 lb. All this from arguably the greatest fighter of this generation?? Talk about accommodating, wow.

But Cotto didn't dare touch any of the Mexican greats at 122-130, like Pac did. Heck he wouldn't even fight Hatton at 140 (interim title there, what else), or even Diaz at 135 (no titles there).

Did you see Danny Green move up and win a belt at cruiser? I guess to you he's twice the man, Cotto would not move up to cruiser in a million years.

And Cotto asked for the same cw against the same disgraced guy, except Cotto wasn't moving up, and Marg spotted him an eye, coming off a brutal destruction. Oh yeah, and Cotto wanted a rehydration clause.

[DeadLikeMe]

Pacquiao's are shameful and exploitative and used to gain false glory. Ward didn't win the Super Six with a catchweight.

[HeroBando]

Pacquiao's are shameful and exploitative and used to gain false glory. Ward didn't win the Super Six with a catchweight.

You think Ward accomplished more than Pac did prior to the catchweights?

We can only speculate what would happen when Ward hit his 7th weightclass, the fact is, he passed on moving up to his second, making his next fight much less meaningful than it would have been at 175.

[Ace Boogie]

You think Ward accomplished more than Pac did prior to the catchweights?

We can only speculate what would happen when Ward hit his 7th weightclass, the fact is, he passed on moving up to his second, making his next fight much less meaningful than it would have been at 175.

in what way is it less meaningful, chad dawson called out ward to fight at 68, for all we know ward was waiting on bute, it not like dawson doesn;t have unfinished buisness at 175 anyways he did'nt call out pascal or cloud. He called out ward because a win over ward means more than a W over cloud or pascal right now

[sunny31]

Fact is Pacquiao has no business being up at these weights messing with these dudes. It is still amazing to me that he is where he is, when the guy you want to fight is up at his 7-8 weight division and he is a superstar of the sport, and is giving you the biggest pay day of your career, then he has earned an advantage.

People play too much on the catch weights anyway, I don't think making 145lbs was debilitating for Cotto, and at that time Manny was more of a 140lb fighter. Margarito made 150 easy, yeah maybe the fight should othave not been for a belt, but who cares it was a legitimate test even after the Mosley loss Margarito was still a formiddable fighter. Oscar was dead, but it was a mis-calculation on his part, he could not make 147, for Pac it was a win-win situation because of the size disparity, so youcant blame him, he was coming up 2 divisions as it was, why wouldnt he take the fight. He Pac is hardly the first superstar to gain advantages, believe me in 10 years no one will remember this garbage, they will remember how amazing his accomplishments are, and they are amazing.

Same with Floyd, people are only now really starting to realise how special he is. Shame both sets of fans are for the most part...pathetic

[HeroBando]

in what way is it less meaningful, chad dawson called out ward to fight at 68, for all we know ward was waiting on bute, it not like dawson doesn;t have unfinished buisness at 175 anyways he did'nt call out pascal or cloud. He called out ward because a win over ward means more than a W over cloud or pascal right now

i don't blame Ward for accepting what Dawson was willing to offer, he's got the upper hand. But do you really think Dawson wouldn't have preferred 175 or a cw? Watch the video Phenom posted.

And how can you deny it's less meaningful this way? He's fighting a guy with no sww credentials, who last made 168 7(?) years ago. Ward moves up and fights the lineal champ, for his second divisional belt. It'd be his best and toughest win. At 168, we don't know what Dawson brings, but it'll be a miracle if Dawson is not compromised by the weightloss.