What's Worse: Pacquiao draining Cotto by 2 lbs, Or Ward draining Dawson by 7 lbs?

[HeroBando]

Again you see something that isn't there, but that should be expected. What's pretty obvious is that Pacman won't fight Cotto (a man he destroyed), when Cotto's healthy.

But somehow you find it necessary to compare Cotto asking for catchweight to fight a man that destroyed him? BTW was there even 1?? I find it funny that you claim I'm hung up on them when it's you who keeps bringing it up, even though my discrepancies lie with Pacman Margarito, (which I've repeatedly told you but somehow you still don't get).

So before Pac Marg, you thought weight played no role in Pac's destruction of Cotto, but the Marg fight opened your eyes? Did you watch that fight, or only read about it? Did it say anything about the brisk pace Cotto maintained when running from Pac for 6 rounds? Maybe if he wasn't drained, he could have made it to the finish line.

Where you go wrong is, you seem to think Pac is Cotto's challenger. He's not fighting anyone above 147, give or take a pound, why should he make a special exception for a guy he already dominated? If you want a fight with Pac, you come to ww, his 7th weightclass. If you want Ward, you come to smw, his first.

[WESS]

I remember Pacquiao got a lot of criticism for draining Cotto down by 2 pounds below the 147 limit to 145 lbs. Doesn't Ward deserve the same, or worse criticism for draining Dawson down by 7 lbs to 168lbs when his usual fighting weight is 175lbs.. I mean it's more than triple the amount of weight that Cotto had to drain.. Surely there should be more outrage at Ward for this?

Dawson has said he has no problem with this. On the other hand Cotto put up a fight until Bob told him to shut up and color.

[HeroBando]

Dawson has said he has no problem with this. On the other hand Cotto put up a fight until Bob told him to shut up and color.

Cotto is marketable on his own, Dawson is not and is desperate for this opportunity. Same way Sergio will drop to 150 for Pac and Floyd, but won't even touch 154 for the likes of Kirkland, despite being a "natural super welter".

[Phenom]

Ward is a ***** and there is no denying that just listen to what Shaw says

[CHOWWOKKA]

Ward is a ***** and there is no denying that just listen to what Shaw says

"Glad you got Hopkins out the way finally" lololol

[Weebler I]

they are both pathetic moves. andre ward is a good fighter aswell, but fcuk me, he always gets his way. he didnt even fight away from from home once in the super six. now he wants to fight the light heavyweight champ at super middleweight? he just isnt gettin much credit from me.

Pacquiao had never fought at 147lbs before, he was at that time essentially a 140lb fighter. Asking Cotto to drop a couple of pounds is hardly the end of the world.

As for Ward, Dawson wanted the fight and said 168lbs. He does always seem to get his way in terms of venue but it's Dawson wants to step down a class not the other way around. Ward didn't need or ask for this fight, Dawson wanted it.

[Bushbaby]

So before Pac Marg, you thought weight played no role in Pac's destruction of Cotto, but the Marg fight opened your eyes? Did you watch that fight, or only read about it? Did it say anything about the brisk pace Cotto maintained when running from Pac for 6 rounds? Maybe if he wasn't drained, he could have made it to the finish line.

Where you go wrong is, you seem to think Pac is Cotto's challenger. He's not fighting anyone above 147, give or take a pound, why should he make a special exception for a guy he already dominated? If you want a fight with Pac, you come to ww, his 7th weightclass. If you want Ward, you come to smw, his first.

The Margarito fight opened my eyes to the masterful matchmaking that is Pacman's entire tenure above 140 yes. I do not go wrong in the fact that Pacman refuses to fight Cotto when he's healthy.

I bet you truly believe that Pacman would beat him at any weight. Well it's rather obvious that even Pacman doesn't believe that by the fact that he won't fight him when he's healthy.

Like I said, the Margarito fight turned me off of Pacman. He's a greater fighter than Cotto. but he won't fight a healthy Cotto?? He's a greater fighter but got bob arum to go above & beyond necessary to get his record title against a banned cheating Margarito?? When the lesser fighter in Miguel Cotto moved up to 154 & beat a champ that was too tall for Pacman??

[Weebler I]

Like I said, the Margarito fight turned me off of Pacman. He's a greater fighter than Cotto. but he won't fight a healthy Cotto??

He's a greater fighter but got bob arum to go above & beyond necessary to get his record title against a banned cheating Margarito?? When the lesser fighter in Miguel Cotto moved up to 154 & beat a champ that was too tall for Pacman??

I don't get it. Margarito fights Mosley and Cotto at 147lbs then a year later it becomes a big problem to fight Pacquiao at 150lbs?

[HeroBando]

The Margarito fight opened my eyes to the masterful matchmaking that is Pacman's entire tenure above 140 yes. I do not go wrong in the fact that Pacman refuses to fight Cotto when he's healthy.

I bet you truly believe that Pacman would beat him at any weight. Well it's rather obvious that even Pacman doesn't believe that by the fact that he won't fight him when he's healthy.

Like I said, the Margarito fight turned me off of Pacman. He's a greater fighter than Cotto. but he won't fight a healthy Cotto?? He's a greater fighter but got bob arum to go above & beyond necessary to get his record title against a banned cheating Margarito?? When the lesser fighter in Miguel Cotto moved up to 154 & beat a champ that was too tall for Pacman??

If Cotto is not comfortable at 147, he doesn't fight Pac, no big deal. Cotto's weight gain is not Pac's concern, he's a tiny stubby sww anyway (asking for 150 cws against divisional bums lol). Who else is Pac supposed to accommodate, Sergio, Guillermo Jones?

I think Pac beats Cotto at any reasonable weight. If Cotto got him too fat where all his speed was gone, that sure he has a chance. Apparently you agreed with me until revisionism kicked in with the Marg fight. Did it make you rewatch Cotto Pac in slomo, you saw Cotto outboxing him all night long before gassing?

So you're proud of Cotto for stepping into his 3rd weightclass against a 1 legged rabbi, and are disappointed with Pac for not moving up to his 8th? Why am I not surprised?

[HeroBando]

I don't get it. Margarito fights Mosley and Cotto at 147lbs then a year later it becomes a big problem to fight Pacquiao at 150lbs?

Then gets disfigured by Pac at 150. Then Cotto finds this one eyed wreck sufficently threatening to demand to defend his 154 belt and ring no 1 rating at 150.

Nobody has yet produced an example of another champ asking a contender in ther own division for a catchweight, much less a sorry non contender.