Who's resume is better at 147lbs? Mayweather or Pacquiao?

[4Corners]

Hatton and Bradley are equal wins. Top 140 lb fighters who were in the Top 10 P4P and unbeaten, had solid wins on their resumes.

Judah and Baldomir are the same level of wins that a Clottey win in 2010 was, solid wins at those times, nothing more or less. Floyd has two of those, Pac has one.

Cotto was a really good win, the #3 WW at the time. Mosley and Ortiz were good wins at those times too though. Mosley was the #2 WW and #3 P4P, while Ortiz was the #2 WW as well, coming off a big win over Berto (who people wanted Pac to fight) and what should have been a win over Peterson too.

I'd say Floyd. Manny gets no credit for beating Oscar, Mosley, and Marquez. Oscar hadn't been at WW in like 8 years, Mosley was not a legit fight after Floyd whupped him and was coming off a draw with Mora, and the only time Marquez had been around that weight was when he got shut out by Floyd.

[bojangles1987]

Hatton and Bradley are equal wins. Top 140 lb fighters who were in the Top 10 P4P and unbeaten, had solid wins on their resumes.

Judah and Baldomir are the same level of wins that a Clottey win in 2010 was, solid wins at those times, nothing more or less. Floyd has two of those, Pac has one.

Cotto was a really good win, the #3 WW at the time. Mosley and Ortiz were good wins at those times too though. Mosley was the #2 WW and #3 P4P, while Ortiz was the #2 WW as well, coming off a big win over Berto (who people wanted Pac to fight) and what should have been a win over Peterson too.

I'd say Floyd. Manny gets no credit for beating Oscar, Mosley, and Marquez. Oscar hadn't been at WW in like 8 years, Mosley was not a legit fight after Floyd whupped him and was coming off a draw with Mora, and the only time Marquez had been around that weight was when he got shut out by Floyd.

It's very unfair not to give Pacquiao credit for Oscar. Pac was the one cherry picked in that fight, it's not his fault Oscar screwed up his weight. Besides, Pac looked tremendous in that fight.

[The Big Dunn]

It's very unfair not to give Pacquiao credit for Oscar. Pac was the one cherry picked in that fight, it's not his fault Oscar screwed up his weight. Besides, Pac looked tremendous in that fight.

Do you find it interesting that clottey, unless I am mistaken, was the only one manny fought at the ww limit of 147 that wasn't at another weight before he fought manny.

[B Phontain]

mosley was lineal champion by virtue of a victory over margarito (whose winning of the lineage is almost certainly due to the use of plaster against miguel cotto.)
at the time of the victory it looked like a hell of a win for shane, but knowing what we know now it's pretty damn clear that the win was overrated. margarito was next to nothing without plaster. before he was caught loading his gloves he was battering people. after he was an average puncher at best.

and baldomir..
is baldomir


they both have very weak resume at WW. pacquiao's is obviously more impressive, given his size, but that's not what we're talking about in this thread.

i give the edge to pacquiao in wins

cotto, bradley, and clottey were all solid wins. he lost to marquez in a WW fight in my eyes (and everybody else's,) which hurts him a good deal . that same marquez looked like a fly fighting floyd mayweather

they're about even in my opinion. not very good WW resume. great fighters, though.

good post. I agree to an extent I think the Margo win for shane was so big at the time because after what Marg did to Cotto a lot of ppl didnt think Shane could win let alone K.O a fighter who i think hasnt and (hasnt since that night unless u include the Doc stoppage in the Cotto bout) been k.o'd before. But your are right in the fact that Marg hasnt looked good since that plaster was found.

I dont think too much of Baldo either but i think its important to remember that Baldo was on like a 7 year winning streak which included, Clottey(dq of course), judah, Gatti, and Hasan Al who beat Dzindziruk in the olympics if im not mistaken and probably coulda went on to really be something, dont know why he stopped boxing tho.

as far as Bradley goes, I think pac won too. But i guess im one of the few who think Pac shouldnt have let it go to the score cards anyway considering Bradley had two broke feet and ate left hands like skittles.

[bojangles1987]

Do you find it interesting that clottey, unless I am mistaken, was the only one manny fought at the ww limit of 147 that wasn't at another weight before he fought manny.

I don't particularly care other than with Marquez. Oscar was the only fight where it was an issue, and that was Oscar's fault. Mosley was a welterweight, Cotto's catchweight did not matter much, and Bradley was a great fight, a better fighter than anyone he could have picked at welterweight.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't particularly care other than with Marquez. Oscar was the only fight where it was an issue, and that was Oscar's fault. Mosley was a welterweight, Cotto's catchweight did not matter much, and Bradley was a great fight, a better fighter than anyone he could have picked at welterweight.

WHether you care or not, i'm wondering if its relevant that all the opposition, sans clottey, either had to move up or move down in weight before fighting manny at 147?

It seems each fight one fighter goes in with an advantage. Or am I wrong?

[bojangles1987]

WHether you care or not, i'm wondering if its relevant that all the opposition, sans clottey, either had to move up or move down in weight before fighting manny at 147?

Not really. Marquez is the only one where weight mattered for a reason that was Pacquiao's fault.

[The Big Dunn]

Not really. Marquez is the only one where weight mattered for a reason that was Pacquiao's fault.

I get what you are saying, manny didn't "make" ODH or shane move down or Tim move up, the chance for a payday did. He did make cotto go to 145.

WHen discussing other fighters, particulalrly unpopular ones, weight gained/lost by the opponent is such a big factor for some posters. SO i was just getting your take.

[RichCCFC]

even.......

[RichCCFC]

Floyds resume at 147

Sharmba Mitchell KO
Zab Judah UD
Carlos Baldomir UD
Ricky Hatton KO
Juan Manuel Marquez UD
Shane Mosley UD
Victor Ortiz KO

Mannys resume at 147

Oscar De La Hoya KO
Miguel Cotto KO
Joshua Clottey UD
Shane Mosley UD
Juan Manuel Marquez UD
Timothy Bradley L

Keep in mind Floyd has beat the #1 ranked WW twice and Manny has never defeated a #1 ranked WW and his only win vs a champ at WW was at a catchweight. Considering where these fighters were ranked @WW,on the P4P list and the physical level they were at when Floyd and Manny fought them who's resume is better?

Match them up

De La Hoya>Mitchell PAC
Cotto>Judah PAC
Clottey>Baldomir (DQ win for Baldo early in careers) PAC
Hatton>Mosley (at that point) FLOYD
Marquez=Marquez FLOYD
Bradley>Ortiz PAC clear won
Mosley FLOYD

on closer inspection I give Pac edge