Does Vitali really have a granite chin?

[kill the body]

Go watch his fights because you'll only say they was fat & milkmen etc anyway
Pointless debating with a sheer hater, especially one has an avi of a guy who was KTFO by a jab.

cause they were his resume is terrible he has beaten no 1 worth mentioning

[TheGreatA]

He is very tough but part of the equation is that he's also very tall and is difficult to reach with full power shots. Vitali is also good enough to not get caught with any wild punches.

When it comes down to it, a heavyweight who has never taken the count has to have a very good chin. His brother is also big, tall and rarely gets hit, but he has hit the canvas over 10 times. Those attributes alone won't prevent you from being knocked down in the heavyweight division.

[dan_cov]

cause they were his resume is terrible he has beaten no 1 worth mentioning

Solis, Johnson, Arreola, Johnson, Peter etc aren't worth mentioning?

Of course they aren't because its always a case of how these guys will beat the brothers and **** and when they lose they're dismissed as bums.

Look at Hayes resume, lmao!
Nobody on his entire resume worth a damn, not one.

Load of near 40yr old C level bums

[Curtiz]

He is very tough but part of the equation is that he's also very tall and is difficult to reach with full power shots. Vitali is also good enough to not get caught with any wild punches.

When it comes down to it, a heavyweight who has never taken the count has to have a very good chin. His brother is also big, tall and rarely gets hit, but he has hit the canvas over 10 times. Those attributes alone won't prevent you from being knocked down in the heavyweight division.

This is also another triangle theory type equation.

Its like saying calzaghe has never been beat therefore he is the greatest....

NO JUST NO

[stefl14]

His chin is bad because it hasn't been tested much? Are you serious?
He maybe an arm puncher but he still hits very hard as 40 of 44 men have found out.
George Foreman wasn't always a textbook puncher does that mean big George didn't hit like a truck?
Accumulation or not, he dominates guys and 85% of the time gets hit opponent out of there.
Do you think he has one of the highest heavyweight K.O ratios ever by fluke?

I didn't say his chin is bad at all. The point I was trying to get across was that we cannot just say he has a great chin because he hasn't been knocked out because his chin simply hasn't been tested consistently. Virtually every fighter has taken solid shots at some point and managed to stay up, even greats like Hearns who isn't exactly renowned for his chin. So how can we say Vitali has a good chin when it hasn't been consistently tested? We can't tell either way.

And as for your last point, I think he has one of the highest K.O ratios because he outclasses opponents and beats them down over time - this doesn't mean he is a great puncher just an above average puncher who is way better than his opponents. How often do you see a Vitali opponent lying on the floor unconscious? Not very often is the answer. George foreman wasn't a textbook puncher but (contrary to what some people think) he definitely wasn't an arm-puncher like Vitali is. Wlad has top class power, Vitali doesn't.

[Curtiz]

I didn't say his chin is bad at all. The point I was trying to get across was that we cannot just say he has a great chin because he hasn't been knocked out because his chin simply hasn't been tested consistently. Virtually every fighter has taken solid shots at some point and managed to stay up, even greats like Hearns who isn't exactly renowned for his chin. So how can we say Vitali has a good chin when it hasn't been consistently tested? We can't tell either way.

And as for your last point, I think he has one of the highest K.O ratios because he outclasses opponents and beats them down over time - this doesn't mean he is a great puncher just an above average puncher who is way better than his opponents. How often do you see a Vitali opponent lying on the floor unconscious? Not very often is the answer. George foreman wasn't a textbook puncher but (contrary to what some people think) he definitely wasn't an arm-puncher like Vitali is. Wlad has top class power, Vitali doesn't.

Exactly.

Logic prevails.

[stefl14]

Solis, Johnson, Arreola, Johnson, Peter etc aren't worth mentioning?

Of course they aren't because its always a case of how these guys will beat the brothers and **** and when they lose they're dismissed as bums.

Look at Hayes resume, lmao!
Nobody on his entire resume worth a damn, not one.

Load of near 40yr old C level bums

Sorry but these guys aren't exactly great. Haye's resume is **** but so is the resume of both Klits. Yes they have beaten who they can in their era but the era is ****. The only challenge was an overweight Lewis who gave Vitali his toughest fight and left one of the worst cuts I've ever seen. Klit fans will say "4 rounds to 2" but who cares? Fights are 12 rounds not 6. We can't say what might have happened but what we do know is the result: Lewis won by TKO in 6.

[TheGreatA]

This is also another triangle theory type equation.

Its like saying calzaghe has never been beat therefore he is the greatest....

NO JUST NO

It's nothing like saying that.

A triangle theory is when you base fighter A beating fighter B on the fact that fighter A has beaten fighter C who has beaten fighter B.

In the heavyweight division there are very few fighters who haven't hit the canvas at some point. Vitali is one of them. For the most part his reputation for having a good chin is based on his fight against Lennox Lewis though:

[dan_cov]

I didn't say his chin is bad at all. The point I was trying to get across was that we cannot just say he has a great chin because he hasn't been knocked out because his chin simply hasn't been tested consistently. Virtually every fighter has taken solid shots at some point and managed to stay up, even greats like Hearns who isn't exactly renowned for his chin. So how can we say Vitali has a good chin when it hasn't been consistently tested? We can't tell either way.

And as for your last point, I think he has one of the highest K.O ratios because he outclasses opponents and beats them down over time - this doesn't mean he is a great puncher just an above average puncher who is way better than his opponents. How often do you see a Vitali opponent lying on the floor unconscious? Not very often is the answer. George foreman wasn't a textbook puncher but (contrary to what some people think) he definitely wasn't an arm-puncher like Vitali is. Wlad has top class power, Vitali doesn't.

Boxing is the art of hitting & not getting hit. And was Hearns chin really that bad? A little shakey maybe but I think its overplayed.
He moved up through the weight classes & it held up pretty well, people forget the bombs he took from SRL over & over before finally crumbling in the 14th
Hagler, well Hagler hit like a damn mule.

I suppose it mainly comes from his stoppage loss to Barkley though I don't think his chin was bad as its labelled.

Vitali hits hard enough, I agree Wladimir is the far superior puncher of the two. For me probably one of the hardest punchers in history.

[stefl14]

It's nothing like saying that.

A triangle theory is when you base fighter A beating fighter B on the fact that fighter A has beaten fighter C who has beaten fighter B.

In the heavyweight division there are very few fighters who haven't hit the canvas at some point. Vitali is one of them. For the most part his reputation for having a good chin is based on his fight against Lennox Lewis though:

Klitschko lost his legs 2-3 times that fight, which goes to show that when he fights guys his own size his chin is probably not comparable to the chins of the likes of Hagler and Chuvalo lol.