Vitali is going to duck Haye, its already begun!!!!

[JAB5239]

What is truly sad is that Haye and his fans think that his legacy hangs on a fight with a fighter who by all accounts is way past his prime and should have already been retired. And I for one could care less if they ever fight and then Haye may see what its like to get the run around. And if Haye really cares about his legacy why is he picking on an old man instead of negotiating with the other fighters in the division? Because as we all know if Haye doesn't fight Vitali he most likely will not never fight again. And to me its just another chapter in the fraud that is David Haye.

I'm no fan of Haye, but less than a year ago when Vits beat Adamek his fans on here were claiming he was still at the top of his game and some were questioning if he was the greatest 40 plus fighter ever. If he has slipped, and I agree he has, doesn't this show how weak the division is that he is still the second best fighter in it? And ass man of honor, which I believe he is regardless if he fights an undeserving Haye, shouldn't he at least want the most plausible fight out there, especially after being so vocal about it for so long? My thing is no Klit fan should ever put down Lewis for retiring if they can't see the double standard in Vits going out on a weak defense when Lewis retired after taking on the best the division had to offer. All that said, Vitaly would/will beat Haye if they fight...I'd bet on it.

[turkas]

They did negotiate both sides have said this. Haye has said to Vitali's face twice he agreed to his demands in December and Vitali never disputed it, there's videos on youtube i'll get them if you want. So after everyone ridiculed Haye for not keeping his word in the past Vitali gets a pass? Double standards much.

You're forgetting something here and that's the brawl that broke out at the post fight press conference where Haye embarrassed himself and boxing. That brawl ended any word or negotiations between Vitali and Haye,

[turkas]

You're forgetting something, Beonte said if Haye wants Vitaly than let him fight Chisora first. Its in the article. Haye fought Chisora and now the tune has changed. That has noting to do with the brawl after the Vit fight.

Dude all that was said before the brawl took place.

[Jam Jars]

You're forgetting something here and that's the brawl that broke out at the post fight press conference where Haye embarrassed himself and boxing. That brawl ended any word or negotiations between Vitali and Haye,

OK you clearly don't know what you're talking about.


Klitschko team actually sent an offer after Haye had already agreed to fight Chisora, it was of course for less money than Haye had already agreed for the Chisora fight. There's an article on the main page that was posted yesterday where it comes directly from Boente's mouth. The same guy that told Haye to fight Chisora.

Little games from the Klitschko team that only fool the fools.

[Someone88]

Yes because Vitali works for Boente........................ Mayweather works for Haymon too.

Vitali isn't and won't duck Haye out of fear, he was thinking of retiring anyway he said himself he wants to fight him

[Ravens Fan]

I'm no fan of Haye, but less than a year ago when Vits beat Adamek his fans on here were claiming he was still at the top of his game and some were questioning if he was the greatest 40 plus fighter ever. If he has slipped, and I agree he has, doesn't this show how weak the division is that he is still the second best fighter in it? And ass man of honor, which I believe he is regardless if he fights an undeserving Haye, shouldn't he at least want the most plausible fight out there, especially after being so vocal about it for so long? My thing is no Klit fan should ever put down Lewis for retiring if they can't see the double standard in Vits going out on a weak defense when Lewis retired after taking on the best the division had to offer. All that said, Vitaly would/will beat Haye if they fight...I'd bet on it.

I guess it depends on how you look it. And yes Vitali is ranked #2 but that doesn't change the fact that he is still old and way past his prime. And honestly I think he really slipped and aged between the Adamek and Chisora fights. And believe me I am not comparing Vitali to Ali. I am just trying to compare what happened when they both got old and close to retirement.

With that said, and I would believe that everyone would agree that back in 1978 Ali was still #1 and way past his prime when he lost to the very inferior Leon Spinks. And I know Ali retired after he beat Leon in the rematch. My point is that Ali was still highly ranked even though he was very washed up in 1978.

And for the sake of argument lets say Ali didn't retire after the second Spinks fight. But instead lets say Ali fought a couple of Charr like opponents leading up to the Holmes fight in 1980. What I am saying is that I believe that just by staying active and fighting scrub opponents. I have no doubt that Ali would have still been highly ranked by the time he fought Holmes. So, does that mean that the division was actually rather weak in what was supposed to be one of its better eras?

And if you need a more contemporary example look no further then Roy Jones. Just a few years ago Roy was 40 plus and had already been waxed a couple times and he also happened to be way past his prime. Yet he was still ranked as one of the top five best light heavyweights in the world by Ring magazine. Does that mean that Roy had good friends at Ring magazine or was the division so weak that old washed up fighters were still ranked so high?

And believe me I am not pretending that I know the answers. I was really just pointing out the fact that there have been other examples of the same situation in the history of boxing. And I am sure there are plenty more examples of the same kind of situation in all the divisions.

And as far as for Haye fighting Vitali I really don't care if the fight happens. Haye is the one that has bounced in and out of retirement and has only fought but once every other year so why should anyone care if he gets a shot? To include Vitali. And the bottom line is why should he get a shot by beating a fighter that is not all that good and was ranked 15th in the world?

[JAB5239]

I guess it depends on how you look it. And yes Vitali is ranked #2 but that doesn't change the fact that he is still old and way past his prime. And honestly I think he really slipped and aged between the Adamek and Chisora fights. And believe me I am not comparing Vitali to Ali. I am just trying to compare what happened when they both got old and close to retirement.

With that said, and I would believe that everyone would agree that back in 1978 Ali was still #1 and way past his prime when he lost to the very inferior Leon Spinks. And I know Ali retired after he beat Leon in the rematch. My point is that Ali was still highly ranked even though he was very washed up in 1978.

And for the sake of argument lets say Ali didn't retire after the second Spinks fight. But instead lets say Ali fought a couple of Charr like opponents leading up to the Holmes fight in 1980. What I am saying is that I believe that just by staying active and fighting scrub opponents. I have no doubt that Ali would have still been highly ranked by the time he fought Holmes. So, does that mean that the division was actually rather weak in what was supposed to be one of its better eras?

And if you need a more contemporary example look no further then Roy Jones. Just a few years ago Roy was 40 plus and had already been waxed a couple times and he also happened to be way past his prime. Yet he was still ranked as one of the top five best light heavyweights in the world by Ring magazine. Does that mean that Roy had good friends at Ring magazine or was the division so weak that old washed up fighters were still ranked so high?

And believe me I am not pretending that I know the answers. I was really just pointing out the fact that there have been other examples of the same situation in the history of boxing. And I am sure there are plenty more examples of the same kind of situation in all the divisions.

And as far as for Haye fighting Vitali I really don't care if the fight happens. Haye is the one that has bounced in and out of retirement and has only fought but once every other year so why should anyone care if he gets a shot? To include Vitali. And the bottom line is why should he get a shot by beating a fighter that is not all that good and was ranked 15th in the world?

I agree with most of this. Anything I don't agree would just be nitpicking.

[ironmike2012]

Vitali should fight Haye, it would be a good way to go out (with a KO most likely). He talked about knocking Haye out and then retire. He should be able to win easy, he has the power, height and reach advantage. Follow Wlad's game plan shut Haye up for good. Nobody wants to see Charr (who?).

[JAB5239]

Vitali should fight Haye, it would be a good way to go out (with a KO most likely). He talked about knocking Haye out and then retire. He should be able to win easy, he has the power, height and reach advantage. Follow Wlad's game plan shut Haye up for good. Nobody wants to see Charr (who?).

This is how I feel. If he doesn't though he still had a GOOD career. No more whining about Lewis not giving a rematch though. At the very least he went out with a hard earned W fighting the best the division had.

[Furn]

If this is Vits last fight, why would his manager really care if he wins or loseS?

Wouldn't he just go for the fight that makes him the most money ?

This is just maneuvering so they can pay Haye less.