Andy Lee does not = Martinez

[dan_cov]

Apparently he is going to break Sergio down from bodyshots. Its a classic case of misguided fans thinking because a guy works the body he is a great body-puncher.
The guy is wide & don't bring his hands back its as simple as that.
He is a good but he is not a great bodypuncher as displayed against the very mediocre light hitting Sebastien Zbik.

We all know Chavez Jr is a one-trick pony that is going to try and walk through Sergios shots to get in range & that IMO is fcuking ******ity against a guy with superb speed, timing, accuracy, one of the best jabs in boxing and K.O power in both hands.

A car crashes into a barrier at 20mph, not a lot happens.
A car crashes head on at 20mph going into a car coming at 20mph, thats a 40mph impact.

This is a B- brawler vs an A+ boxer-puncher.

[EdWins]

I am one of the people that actually thinks Chavez Jr. is going to win and I'll explain why:

Andy Lee doesn't = Martinez, but on the flipside Chavez Jr. doesn't = Mathew Macklin, and I have watched Martinez-Macklin very closely, and what I saw was vulnerablity on the part of Martinez when under pressure. He has an arrogant style, which is crowd pleasing and impressive the way he executes it, but he does get hit. Mathew Macklin was getting to Martinez, he marked up his face pretty good, and I remember very clearly having macklin actually ahead on the card up until the stoppage (Although I've only had 1 viewing). Chavez Jr. is a much bigger and much stronger version of Mackin, who is a monster body puncher, and is just physically overwhelming and Martinez isn't active enough to keep this type of aggressive fighter at bay, he seems to fight in outbursts or spurts.

Chavez Jr. is obviously going to have a considerable size advantage, and the question becomes: How does Martinez deal with the pressure from a much bigger, much stronger, Chavez Jr? My best guess is that Martinez will not be able to handle this pressure. Macklin got to Sergio and even busted sergio up a bit and Macklin is much weaker than Chavez. One of the most critical advantages I forgot to mention about Chavez, is that he also has a strong chin. So add all that up:

Chavez Physically Stronger
Chavez Physically Bigger
Chavez Granite Chin
Chavez relentless pressure
Chavez Body punching that Sergio isn't used to

versus

Martinez superior hand speed
Martinez superior boxing ability
Martinez superior reflexes

=

Martinez outboxing Chavez for about 6 or 7 rounds then being systematically broken down physically and mentally.

Just my thoughts, I'm probably wrong tho..

[Atreyu Khalil]

So if JCC JR KO's Sergio Martinez as I have been predicting for 3 years, will you apologize for your laughably incorrect analysis?

[bojangles1987]

Chavez Jr. obliterating a fighter like Andy Lee showed that the man is pretty damn good. If he can take Sergio's punch and keep coming, he will wear Sergio out and make this very hard. Sergio doesn't exactly have the greatest motor in the sport.

[dan_cov]

Chavez Jr has no advantages other than weight & an inch or two in height. I'd even argue Sergio has the better chin. Chavez Jr gets labelled as having a 'granite chin' how the Fcuk can you say he has a granite chin when he has never fought a puncher? Andy Lee has 'good power' but he is no one punch K.O artist & frankly neither is Rubio who has a very misleading record.

He is labelled as having a granite chin because his defense sucks, simple as that.
The guy was buzzed numerous times by Lee & Zbik

I can not believe how many people have Chavez Jr taking this, will be good to see if they're still around after he gets his ears boxed off and knocked out.

[mathed]

Andy Lee is taller with more reach than Martinez,BUT he lacks the speed, rhythm and power of Martinez,Lee is not and never will be elite he is missing coordination and speed.Martinez is the test Chavez must pass in order to be great.

Chavez....6'-0", 73" reach

Martinez...5'-10", 75" reach


Martinez is going to let Chavez come in at him jab, jab, and straight left down the pike right into Chavez' face. Martinez' jab is gonna find a home all night too...I think Martinez might even drop Chavez with a shot he doesn't see. He isn't as good defensively as Dzinziruk, Barker or Macklin, he is purely offensive which is the worst thing you can be against Martinez.

[S H A R K B O Y]

Chavez's body shots will tell the tale.

If he can even get to Martinez.

[Atreyu Khalil]

I am one of the people that actually thinks Chavez Jr. is going to win and I'll explain why:

Chavez Physically Stronger
Chavez Physically Bigger
Chavez Granite Chin
Chavez relentless pressure
Chavez Body punching that Sergio isn't used to

..

physically stronger? based of what data?

physically bigger? I will agree

granite chin? How? he hasnt fought anybody who was a deadly puncher....Id go as far as saying Pavlik might be a harder puncher than anyone chavez has fought...I could be wrong

relentless pressure? He doesnt have relentless pressure by any means

Chavez body punching? How can he attack the body of a non stationary target?

[EdWins]

physically stronger? based of what data?

physically bigger? I will agree

granite chin? How? he hasnt fought anybody who was a deadly puncher....Id go as far as saying Pavlik might be a harder puncher than anyone chavez has fought...I could be wrong

relentless pressure? He doesnt have relentless pressure by any means

Chavez body punching? How can he attack the body of a non stationary target?

Physically stronger based off of the fact that he is naturally the larger man, and thus will or should have an advantage in strength/power.

Andy Lee is a good puncher, he should be with a 67% KO averag (or so), and Chavez ate Lee's punches like they were sour skittles. I will agree with you tho, that Andy Lee isn't the hardest puncher out there and I'm sure Pavlik whom Martinez fought probably does hit harder than anyone on Junior's resume', but I don't believe Martinez has any more power than Andy Lee does.

Chavez Jr. does have relentless pressure, especially when you consider his outrageous size advantage, when you have a man that large breathing down your neck, it's relentless, or at least overwhelming in every sense of the word.

And I agree, Chavez will have a difficult time going to the body against Martinez, but the question is: Can Martinez keep up the constant attack for 12 rounds? Nobody Sergio has fought (besides Margarito 10 yrs ago) is as aggressive as Chavez, not even Pavlik who just comes at you with the basic one-twos.

I will be rooting for Martinez, he deserves his belt back, but I don't struggle to think Chavez will win, I think he most definitely has a chance to pull off the upset for what it's worth..

[The_Sandman]

I'm not asking who would win between Martinez vs Chavez. My question was what is it about the Andy Lee fight that made people go "Chavez would do well against Martinez." For example, the Mayweather vs Pacquiao thread we have at the top of the forum. Remember when the poll was literally 50/50?? After the Marquez fight, the poll heavily favored Mayweather. That Marquez fight showed that Pacquiao is very weak against counter punchers, therefore, Mayweather would do well against Pacquiao. So that change made sense. To me, that Andy Lee fight showed me that Chavez would do very well against guys like Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. Not Martinez. What is it about Andy Lee?? Why not Zbik? Or Rubio?? or Manfredo? Why Lee?