Why does Joe Calzaghe get so much hate?

[RichCCFC]

......Neither could Joe.

He beat him much easier than Ward did.

Watched the two side by side other day, shows how good Joe really was, constant upper body and head movement with hands down in front of Bika and Bika could hardly touch him, he was also far faster back then than Ward is now.

[UppercutDamage]

the slappa who dominated an old and non-relevent roy jones and (split his face open) couldn't knock him out. toney and hopkins famously ducked benn and eubank.


watch some more boxing, then come back and start posting.

Let's put this all into the proper preceptive:

james Toney fought;

1.) A PRIME Roy Jones (while Calzghe was fighting bums)

2. A PRIME Mike McCallum (While Calzaghe was fighting bums)

3. A PRIME Iran Barkley (While Calzaghe was fighting bums)

4. A PRIME michael Nunn (While Calzaghe was fighting bums)

James Toney defended his Middleweight title before moving up to LHW, winning a few matches and then moving on to cruiserweight and facing/defeating Vassily Jirov (Jirov would have won the battle of the "swarmers" and KO'ed Calzaghe)

James Toney then moved up to Heavyweight, fought and defeated Evander Holyfield, Rydell Booker, Dominick Guinn, and Fres Oquendo.
I had Toney winning against Peters in the 1st fight.

What has Calzaghe, who fought mostly bums in England until the end of his career, never moved up or down in weight, done to be seen in the same light as GREAT fighters like Roy Jones, James Toney, or a Super GREAT like Mayweather?
I'll tell you what, nothing.
Even at this stage of his career, Carl Froch is greater than Joe Calzaghe.

[UppercutDamage]

He beat him much easier than Ward did.

Watched the two side by side other day, shows how good Joe really was, constant upper body and head movement with hands down in front of Bika and Bika could hardly touch him, he was also far faster back then than Ward is now.

Beating someone BETTER than someone else is irrelevent.
Freshman boxing fans (usually MMA fans) often make this flawed performance comparison. It's a wasted exercise.

Some say Bute beat Johnson easier than Froch did.
Who cares?
It's irrelevent.

[res]

because you can't be from europe and be good/atg

if calzaghe was american he'd be a legit atg

Show me an American ATG that avoided significant competition for almost his entire career.

You have it backward, the idea is that some folks want to make someone an ATG simply because he is from their region.

[Redd Foxx]

Beating someone BETTER than someone else is irrelevent.
Freshman boxing fans (usually MMA fans) often make this flawed performance comparison. It's a wasted exercise.

Some say Bute beat Johnson easier than Froch did.
Who cares?
It's irrelevent.

Weak argument. If you're going to insult another poster, at least show some intelligence. If dominance is irrelevant in boxing, then what is??

[RichCCFC]

Show me an American ATG that avoided significant competition for almost his entire career.

You have it backward, the idea is that some folks want to make someone an ATG simply because he is from their region.

Roy Jones....

[Control-]

dominick guinn sucks balls

[Control-]

Show me an American ATG that avoided significant competition for almost his entire career.

You have it backward, the idea is that some folks want to make someone an ATG simply because he is from their region.

roy jones




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[sammiza567]

only thing i hate more than not getting laid is going onto a boxing website and seeing the name joe calzaghe. let the bum retire and be forgotten already.

[UppercutDamage]

Weak argument. If you're going to insult another poster, at least show some intelligence. If dominance is irrelevant in boxing, then what is??

If you make the choice to comment, at least understand what you are commenting to, prior to appearing like an idiot.
First, the post had nothing to do with "dominance.
Nowhere in either post does it even make mention of dominance.

Instead, what he incorrectly implied was that boxer "A" beat boxer "B" easier (not dominace) than boxer "C". As if due to this, Boxer "A" should have some sort of advantage over Boxer "C" when they meet.
This is a common miscalculation shared by boxing newbies and even some shoe-in announcers and odd makers. I.E., Froch Versus Bute.

Boxing history has shown on numerous occasion that these comparisions of past performance against common opponents are meaningless.
See Ali Versus Foreman, Ward versus Froch, Hopkins Versus Trinidad, etc.
Styles make fights.