Will Carl Froch always be ranked below Joe Calzaghe because hes been defeated

**mani1** · 05-31-2012, 08:46 AM

Being undefeated doesnt really matter what matters is Calzaghe was the man in two weight divisions.
Froch on the other hand has just beaten his first reigning abc champion the two previous ones were vacant titles.

**LeG00N** · 05-31-2012, 08:46 AM

A Class

Bute

**P4P_No1** · 05-31-2012, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by shinobi108

His resume is no doubt aboves joe now.

ONLY COUNTING A-CLASS FIGHTERS

Calzaghe:

Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Mikkel Kessler
Chris Eubanks

VS

Carl Froch:

Jermain Taylor
Glen Johnson
Andre Dirrell
Lucian Bute
Mikkel Kessler
Jean Pascal
Arthur Abraham
Andre Ward

So will he always be ranked below joe simply because he took the risk that joe never did and therefore lost his '0'

I'm not so sure these guys can be considered A Class fighters. Could probably chuck Pascal in there too.

I think the difference is Froch has fought these guys back-to-back.

What was Calzaghe's hardest run? Kessler and Hopkins.

**NChristo** · 05-31-2012, 09:07 AM

People are comparing their careers to each other and Froch still has a good few years in him yet.

He's not always going to be under Calzaghe.

**MARKBNLV** · 05-31-2012, 09:16 AM

I like Froch far more then i ever did Calzaghe,but ill be deadly honest Calzaghe beats him 10-10 styles make fights.

**1g5a22** · 05-31-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by shinobi108

his resume is no doubt aboves joe now.

Only counting a-class fighters

calzaghe:

Roy jones
bernard hopkins
mikkel kessler
chris eubanks

vs

carl froch:

Jermain taylor
glen johnson
andre dirrell
lucian bute
mikkel kessler
jean pascal
arthur abraham
andre ward

so will he always be ranked below joe simply because he took the risk that joe never did and therefore lost his '0'

Direll and johnson are not A class!

Byron Mitchell is a 2X WBA SMW champ who beat ATG supermiddleweight and#1 ranked frankie Liles (something andre Ward is praised for doing)! Liles beat michael nunn ffs! How is direll A class and mitchell not???

Mitchell floored liles 4 times in the fight, he was also the first man to stop liles!That is a seriously overlooked win,and liles is a seriously overlooked fighter.

Mitchell was rated in the ring mag SMW top ten for 5 years. He was 25-2 with 1 draw at the time he fought joe, his 2 losses (to men like bruno girard who was a WBA SMW and LHW champion) were debateable decisions too.

Abraham at SMW is not A class, mitchell beat liles! Who did abraham beat? Mitchell has a better win at SMW than nearly all of those men listed but because calzaghe fought him hes a bum!!!!

**hugh grant** · 05-31-2012, 10:14 AM

Not only cos Froch lost, but nearly losing as well, like to JT. But also not beating common opponents as good as JC. And people not thinking he could actualy beat JC as well.

It all adds up.

**Merciless1** · 05-31-2012, 10:15 AM

I don't think so. That's all I'm going to say. I've been in some heated discussions about Joe & his legacy. Don't feel like it right now.

**Weebler I** · 05-31-2012, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by MARKBNLV

I like Froch far more then i ever did Calzaghe,but ill be deadly honest Calzaghe beats him 10-10 styles make fights.

Almost everyone beats Carl Froch on paper though, it rarely turns out that straightforward in the ring.

Fwiw, I think Calzaghe beats him on paper too, but if Froch dragged him into the trenches...

Will Carl Froch always be ranked below Joe Calzaghe because hes been defeated