Ward and Froch should be consider top 5 P4P

[TX_BOXNG]

yea yall prolly right, but i think froch is getting too much credit for the bute fight, he had close matches against dirrell, kessler, n he got schooled by ward

[Optimistic]

Ward - Top 5

Froch - Top 10

[crold1]

yea yall prolly right, but i think froch is getting too much credit for the bute fight, he had close matches against dirrell, kessler, n he got schooled by ward

When you fight eight hard fights in a row, some will be hard and you might lose one or two, especially when you face Kessler on the road and Ward generally. It's easier to win big when you take some more unlosable stuff in between. And Ward wasn't really a schooling. Just a solid loss. He wasn't embarrassed and Ward had to work hard to keep Froch off all night.

[Weebler I]

yea yall prolly right, but i think froch is getting too much credit for the bute fight, he had close matches against dirrell, kessler, n he got schooled by ward

Kessler is a very good fighter while Ward is a potential atg. Dirrell well, some people rate him but it was a farce of a fight.

[ChampBox@PR]

froch is good but i dont think hes in the p4p at all

money
pacman
ward
martinez
marquez
donaire
w.klits
bradley
mares
dawson

i dont think hes better than any of those guys

Froch's resume is better than the guys I bolded!! Bradley the one being close, but the rest is a clear cut he have a better resume!

When you fight eight hard fights in a row, some will be hard and you might lose one or two, especially when you face Kessler on the road and Ward generally. It's easier to win big when you take some more unlosable stuff in between. And Ward wasn't really a schooling. Just a solid loss. He wasn't embarrassed and Ward had to work hard to keep Froch off all night.

Co Sign!!

[crold1]

Froch's resume is better than the guys I bolded!! Bradley the one being close, but the rest is a clear cut he have a better resume!


Co Sign!!

Martinez lost the first to Williams close (no sin) and had tough moments with Macklin and Barker. No sin there either, but while he's been fighting them and begging for JCC, Froch fought Johnson, Ward, and Bute in succession. Martinez is faster and looks prettier. Froch fights tougher guys more consistently. I'd have no problem with anyone rating him over the aesthetically cleaner Donaire and Martinez. The only guys who I would say are hands down ahead of Froch are May, Pac, Marquez, and Ward. Everything else is up for debate and one can make a case lots of ways.

[jayjames616]

Ward IS top 5 and Froch isn't top 20

[B Phontain]

Ward IS top 5 and Froch isn't top 20

Ouch!!!.....a lil harsh dont ya think?

[HitmanHattonAY]

not many boxers have a better resume than Froch over the last few years

[jayjames616]

Ouch!!!.....a lil harsh dont ya think?

Yeah not top 20 is a little harsh, Carl is in the 15 to 20 range for me. He has a good resume but he is lacking big time in the skills department.