Froch's resume - nothing legendary

[-Kev-]

Ward vs Dawson tears me apart. Two of my favorite fighters, Dawson being more of a favorite for me. I'd hate to see either of them with a loss to eachother. But it has to happen to claim their greatness among the active higher weight class fighters. The best thing about this fight is that they're both prime and the loser will not exactly become a bum all of a sudden(well in nsb they might). I think with Dawson vs Ward, we're pretty much getting our modern day '93 Jones vs Hopkins, obviously to a lesser extent. But I feel like, though Ward and Hopkins are alike, it's actually Dawson who's playing Hopkins role in this fight. In that Dawson has 1 loss and is very good but is seen as the underdog, Ward is undefeated and is expected to win in a close fight like Jones.

With that said, the winner of this fight, likely Ward very close, will have fought just about everyone important that was available to fight in his era. If it's Ward, he'd just have to add the Pascal-Cloud winner and he'd have fought absolutely everybody that he could fight at 168-175. If Dawson wins, he would need to get a win over the Pascal-Cloud winner, then beat Froch, and he'd have done it all in his 168-175 career.

[crold1]

I wouldn't say Johnson was outstanding. It was a decent win but Froch was expected to win and Johnson was obviously well passed it.

But, coming off an impressive KO and considered up there, atleast. I feel it's a decent win.

Taylor I feel was a good win though. Considering no one gave him a chance and he pulled it out.

I don't think it's fair to not credit him for that win.

Johnson wasn't THAT far gone and still made a hard fight. It was the second best action scrap of the tourney and Johnson has been old for a long time. Only the very best have yet made that an issue.

As to Taylor, I gave him a shot but picked him to lose too. Taylor was faded but he gave Pavlik a hard rematch and was hardly a spent shell. Taylor fought his ass off that night and Froch broke him down slowly over the course of the fight (something many were missing because they were looking at Taylor's head hunting too close). It was a hard fight start to finish and Froch came off the floor and up big when he had too. That was outstanding to me.

[IronDanHamza]

Ward vs Dawson tears me apart. Two of my favorite fighters, Dawson being more of a favorite for me. I'd hate to see either of them with a loss to eachother. But it has to happen to claim their greatness among the active higher weight class fighters. The best thing about this fight is that they're both prime and the loser will not exactly become a bum all of a sudden(well in nsb they might). I think with Dawson vs Ward, we're pretty much getting our modern day '93 Jones vs Hopkins, obviously to a lesser extent. But I feel like, though Ward and Hopkins are alike, it's actually Dawson who's playing Hopkins role in this fight. In that Dawson has 1 loss and is very good but is seen as the underdog, Ward is undefeated and is expected to win in a close fight like Jones.

With that said, the winner of this fight, likely Ward very close, will have fought just about everyone important that was available to fight in his era. If it's Ward, he'd just have to add the Pascal-Cloud winner and he'd have fought absolutely everybody that he could fight at 168-175. If Dawson wins, he would need to get a win over the Pascal-Cloud winner, then beat Froch, and he'd have done it all in his 168-175 career.

I just hope Dawson makes the weight healthily.

If Ward beats Dawson. It's a wrap.

He's the greatest Super Middleweight ever IMO.

[crold1]

depth?
length / strength of his tenure?

3 time champ has a great ring to it

all agreed.

hearing all of this praise for froch coming from you is making my day.


the taylor fight was a classic
bute fight was a huge upset and a terrific performance. a goup de grace

he sealed the deal with me a while back, but i think froch is the real deal. if you want to beat him you'd better be damn good and eat your wheaties.

the bute win was icing on the cake.


i'm just not ready to see that guy in the hall of fame





cliff, you got a vote, brother
what are your BWAA buddies saying about froch?
you think he's at least going to have his name on the ballot if he retires tomorrow?

Haven't had any convos like that. It's an interesting question and one I prefer to ask in a couple more fights. Benn and Eubank can't crack the ballot but they didn't blow it out during the internet BWAA voters age either. There are only a few guys I would declare hands down living future HOFers. I wouldn't tag Froch there yet, but he could get there with another big win or two.

I noted in another thread Vic Darchinyan has a similarly ballsy resume and I WOULD vote for him over some of the guys who beat him on overall resume if everyone retired today.

[-Kev-]

I just hope Dawson makes the weight healthily.

If Ward beats Dawson. It's a wrap.

He's the greatest Super Middleweight ever IMO.

I'm not going to completely disregard Ward vs Bute. But for now, Froch put an end to any talks of Ward needing to fight Bute.

If Ward is the classy man he seems to be, he would take Froch out to dinner(no ****), for what Froch did to Bute and getting him off Ward's back.

But like I said, if Bute can bounce back, and put himself in a position where Ward HAS to fight him, then I'd like to see Ward add Bute to his win column. For now, Froch killed that fight 100% for me.

[crold1]

I just hope Dawson makes the weight healthily.

If Ward beats Dawson. It's a wrap.

He's the greatest Super Middleweight ever IMO.

I want to see how the weight plays out. Dawson hasn't been that light in six years.

[Light_Speed]

Devon has had good level of opposition but has been dominated in his loss.

So has Froch.

pascal is not a terrific fighter. one of the worst lineal champions ever.

This whack champion beat Dawson clearly so what does that make Dawson? Pascal is an elite fighter and his fight with Froch was actually as close as Foch's fight with Kessler, I had Froch winning by a couple points but it was a war.

[crold1]

I'm not going to completely disregard Ward vs Bute. But for now, Froch put an end to any talks of Ward needing to fight Bute.

If Ward is the classy man he seems to be, he would take Froch out to dinner(no ****), for what Froch did to Bute and getting him off Ward's back.

But like I said, if Bute can bounce back, and put himself in a position where Ward HAS to fight him, then I'd like to see Ward add Bute to his win column. For now, Froch killed that fight 100% for me.

Agree it would be a mistake to assume Froch-Bute tells us how Ward-Bute would have gone. Ward would have been favored but he isn't capable of raking Bute out like that. Much different fight.

Froch made the question irrelevant for now.

[New England]

So has Froch.


This whack champion beat Dawson clearly so what does that make Dawson? Pascal is an elite fighter and his fight with Froch was actually as close as Foch's fight with Kessler, I had Froch winning by a couple points but it was a war.

a guy who could be one of the greats if he let his hands go but doesn't

pascal is not an elite fighter and i thought it was competitive but a clear victory for froch

[Light_Speed]

a guy who could be one of the greats if he let his hands go but doesn't

pascal is not an elite fighter and i thought it was competitive but a clear victory for froch

So he's not an elite fighter but he won the majority of the rounds against Dawson whom you consider elite...