Froch's resume - nothing legendary

[crold1]

You've got to be kidding? Vic has fought a greater set of fighters than Froch. Mijares, Arce, Mares, Yamanaka, Moreno, Donaire, Perez, Pacheco.

Devon: Maidana, Bradley, Kotelnik, Witter, Urango....on and on.

Froch's Bute, Kessler, Johnson, Abraham, Ward, Dirrell, Taylor isn't exactly some amazing thing that no one today has done.

Excellent point. There are definitely guys with excellent ledgers. Vic is closer than Devon because his results have been, without judging head scratchers, cleaner win or lose. Vic though is at a point where he's clearly sliding. Froch is still clearly near his best and it's all in a row which makes an impression as well. I think with Froch it's the test in every fight, one after another, that does it. Vic is close, but even he throws in a Barcelona every once in a while.

Dawson is right there too. If Dawson beats Ward, a showdown with Froch would be all sorts of interesting.

[RubenSonny]

No, not ranked over Ward right now.

Ward is #1 at 168. And that's not debatable.

But, in terms of resumes. Who has the stronger resume at 168 historically, it's Froch.

But, after Ward beat's Dawson, or if he beats Dawson. As long as Dawson makes the weight fine. He'll already have overtaken him.

The history of 168 is so weak, that 1 win can make you overtake another fighter.

Ward is still relatively early in his career and most likely will end up being the greatet 168 Lb'er ever. He's already almost there.

I don't see how you can argue Froch has a greater resume, that's a bit absurd, I think you've spoken too soon after an impressive upset.

[crold1]

I don't see how you can argue Froch has a greater resume, that's a bit absurd, I think you've spoken too soon after an impressive upset.

I think there are two fair points here. We have two works in progress here. Froch has a deeper run right this second, but head to head was clearly less than Ward whose resume is fine at this stage and possibly about to grow with Dawson coming.

Now, if Dawson beat Ward and, say, Froch beat Dawson after, say, a Kessler rematch win, it would be easier to ignore the head to head.

It's the fun of real time debating versus the more serious end game debating. The data is still coming in. One day, we'll have it all.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't see how you can argue Froch has a greater resume, that's a bit absurd, I think you've spoken too soon after an impressive upset.

I struggle to see how that's absurd.

Ward obviously has the quality with Froch and Kessler and another impressive win over Abraham but after that, what else is there?

Froch has quality but also has much more depth as it stands than Ward.

[IronDanHamza]

I think there are two fair points here. We have two works in progress here. Froch has a deeper run right this second, but head to head was clearly less than Ward whose resume is fine at this stage and possibly about to grow with Dawson coming.

Now, if Dawson beat Ward and, say, Froch beat Dawson after, say, a Kessler rematch win, it would be easier to ignore the head to head.

It's the fun of real time debating versus the more serious end game debating. The data is still coming in. One day, we'll have it all.

Yeah.

And let's not forget that Froch is coming to the end of his career. He only has a few fights left in him.

Ward's still has a long way to go.

[crold1]

Yeah.

And let's not forget that Froch is coming to the end of his career. He only has a few fights left in him.

Ward's still has a long way to go.

Ward adds Dawson in September (and that's NOT a gimme) and that's a big plus.

[IronDanHamza]

Ward adds Dawson in September (and that's NOT a gimme) and that's a big plus.

Of course.

If Ward beats Dawson, as long as he makes the weight Ok, then Ward already has the best resume ever at 168.

168's history is so limited that 1 big win can take you to that level.

[-Kev-]

If Dawson beats Ward, followed by avenging his loss to Pascal, or beating Cloud if Cloud beats Pascal...Dawson would have a case of having the best top 5 resume of active fighters in his era. Only trailing behind Hopkins, Mayweather, and Pacquiao.

I admit though, that Froch's resume is definitely top 6-8 in his era among active boxers, and it can get better by avenging his loss against Kessler. Which is probably his next fight.

[RubenSonny]

I struggle to see how that's absurd.

Ward obviously has the quality with Froch and Kessler and another impressive win over Abraham but after that, what else is there?

Froch has quality but also has much more depth as it stands than Ward.

Not really, other than Abraham, Bute, and Pascal his resume isn't anything to brag about, Abraham and Pascal are not particular impressive either, I don't see how his resume is deeper.

[IronDanHamza]

Not really, other than Abraham and Bute his resume, I don't see how his resume is deeper.

Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell and Johnson.

These are obviously better wins than what Ward has outside of Froch, Abraham and Kessler.

It's obvious that Froch has a big edge in terms of depth.