Has Froch surpassed Calzaghe's achievements?

[Prince Mongo]

Calzaghe retired unbeaten but there is no question that Froch has fought everyone and is into taking on and fighting the best. Although there are excuses of the big Calzaghe fights not happening because he was ducked if you look at his career it is very clear he was selective and his priority was to remain undefeated and in doing so it is clear he avoided the best fighters in their prime. For this reason I rate Froch higher but Calzaghe was more talented and if he had Froch's guts to take on the big fights he would have had better achievements although I think he may well have lost.

[fragilety]

no matter, cal beats carl 10 out of 10 times and you all know that, no offense to anyone that thinks they disagree

[big_james10]

personally i think he has

When Froch finished the Super Six tournament by losing to Ward, he had already surpassed Calslappy''s accomplishments. By beating Taylor before the tournament and fighting/beating three out of four A-list opponents in the Super Six, Froch had already fought and defeated three more A-class opponents than Calslappy fought in his entire career. Beating Bute simply was icing on the cake.

[Prince Mongo]

no matter, cal beats carl 10 out of 10 times and you all know that, no offense to anyone that thinks they disagree

This thread is about achievements.Calzaghe could have achieved a lot more but his safety first protect your record policy meant that he he did not achieve what he could have. Just as Bute's record was artificial so was Calzaghe's. Obviously Calzaghe is a lot better,he could have been what his fans want to believe him as but the truth is he bailed out of taking the best when they were at their best and really the spin and bull**** is just that.Calzaghe is great but not as great as his fan's seem to believe.

[champion4ever]

Yes he has and the main reason is because up until now, he has never been the box office draw that Joe Calzaghe was in the U.K. Therefore, he was forced into taking many more challenges and risks in the ring, against better quality opponents than Joe; Especially with his frequent sanctioned bouts outside of the U.K. Thereby, surpassing Joe Calzaghe's career achievements in the process.

[Brother Jay]

You keep on saying Calzaghe ducked this fighter, and that Calzaghe ducked that fighter. So tell me, who did Calzaghe duck and when?

Don't dodge the question. You've been given evidence that Joe was willing to travel to America to fight Hopkins in 2002, when both were prime, chances are he would have done the same for Jones, they wouldn't face him for one reason or another, that's not Joe's fault.

Answer:

Calzaghe ducked any and everyone that wasn't in Europe for his first 42 fights. Any and everyone in and around 168 in America.

I can't understand what's so hard to understand about that.

Darius Michalczewski did the same exact thing as Calzaghe.

They both hid out fighting Euro bums. Darius at least took on some American contenders.

Its amazing how Calzaghe competed for a vacant WBO belt, defended it and all of a sudden became great, when the bulk of those defenses were against Euro bums.

I swear, you guys really endure to hero worship even when the facts tell a completely different story from your own hyperbole.

[hammerhiem]

They both hid out fighting Euro bums. Darius at least took on some American contenders.

Funny because a brief look at Cal's record indicates he fough as Many American Fighters for the WBO title as he did Europeans.

And most of the European fighters where Brits in his first 10 defences, I don't think it's unreasonable for a UK fighter to fight the Best Brits.

In answer to the Original question The Cobra has the best Resume even with the defeats on it but would lose a 10-2 if teh fight had ever happened, the only real comparison is the Cal soundly beat a better version of Kessler than the Cobra lost too.

[SergioMaravilla]

Answer:

Calzaghe ducked any and everyone that wasn't in Europe for his first 42 fights. Any and everyone in and around 168 in America.

You've just brutally mauled yourself! In those 42 fights, Calzaghe defeated former world Champions Byron Mitchell and Charles Brewer who were both Americans, and top SMW's of the era! I bet you didn't know that guys Calzaghe defeated like Richie Woodhall, Robin Reid and Mario Veit were all former and future world champions.

You keep saying Calzaghe ducked all these guys, so actually tell me, who did he duck and when did he duck them? Put your money where your mouth is

[D-MiZe]

Froch hasn't surpassed Calzaghe yet, he's close but there is still a clear line.

[Abstraction]

You've just brutally mauled yourself! In those 42 fights, Calzaghe defeated former world Champions Byron Mitchell and Charles Brewer who were both Americans, and top SMW's of the era! I bet you didn't know that guys Calzaghe defeated like Richie Woodhall, Robin Reid and Mario Veit were all former and future world champions.

You keep saying Calzaghe ducked all these guys, so actually tell me, who did he duck and when did he duck them? Put your money where your mouth is

Whilst Calzaghe stayed in Wales facing his Mandatories, the likes of Hopkins, Jones, Toney, Wright etc. all were shifting divisions in super fights making history and insanes amount of money.

Joe stayed in SMW when it was at its weakest in history (Worst than the HW and CW division at the time).

The point is, Joe was a talented boxer, but made no attempts to make a super fight.

Froch on the other hand did, he faced every tough opponent possible.

Joe stayed with Frank Warren, and wasted his career.

The exact reason why Hatton and Amir Khan left.