Comments Thread For: Team Bradley: Roach Overrated, Pac Made Him Famous!

[dannnnn]

"Because Timothy Bradley is not a Ricky Hatton"

Damn straight.

Prime Hatton won have ran right through Bradley and his pitty-pat combinations.

[GRUSTLER]

"Because Timothy Bradley is not a Ricky Hatton"

Damn straight.

Prime Hatton won have ran right through Bradley and his pitty-pat combinations.

Like he did against Collazo. Hatton was tough but someone as tough or tougher than he was would have given him problems. Tim Bradley is not a push over in my opinion.

[Fetta]

And IMO Ariza made that whole team famous with his "special shakes". I mean i knew of Roach before, till this day my dad calls him the cheater cause of Toney, and i knew of Pac, in the lower weights, but i had never heard of Ariza or seen him or heard anyone speaking of him till he helped Pac rise through the weight classes like it was nothing. Thats when Team Pac began to really become famous.

[Mike_R]

I think it's an unfair statement, I think this is just what Diaz wants to believe. Roach helped Manny build a pretty formidable arsenal of punches that he didn't have earlier in his career. Pacquiao's speed and power were always elite but his ever improving technique is the reason he's had such a storm of success. You can see Manny's improvement as a fighter from his first Erik Morales fight through let's say his fight with Cotto.

I feel his plateau began with the Clottey fight.

[jbpanama]

13,000 posts later...NOW somebody finally understands me...good stuff from Diaz!!!

Nazz, U and Freddie, have Game, and Freddie is a Teacher and Motivator, like You, and likes to throw a little psych, into the Mix.....

[al-Xander]

I could only start and end with Khan when it comes to Roach. I've never seen a fighter so intent and focused as Khan is whatever Roach has to say in between rounds. Khan says he learned so much from Roach and he attributes his string of successes to Roach. Of all Roach's fighters, Khan is the most eloquent and open. I would be interested to hear the others.

[Oh you out son]

It's funny that Bradley said this. I was just thinking this this morning. Roach IS overrated, it is Pacquiao who possesses all the skill and talent. Roach just help him realize it.

lol isn't this the case with every fighter and trainer. the trainer can't give the fighter talent. the fighter has the talent and natural skills and the best trainers are the ones who can extract the most potential out of their fighters. i think roach has done a very good job with this, at least with manny.

a trainer's role is sort of limited, as diaz said in this article, he is not the one doing the fighting. they just get the fighter as prepared as they can, make the most out of their abiities, try to give them the correct gameplan, and probably the most overlooked aspect being motivating the fighter and saying/doing the right things to get him pumped.

"your blowing it son, your blowing it!" - something very simple Angelo Dundee said to SRL but it was exactly what he needed to hear at the time.

[jbpanama]

and don't forget Roach Learned his craft from the GREAT Eddie Futch!!!

[GRUSTLER]

Roach underestimated JMM after Pac had two close grueling fights with him just because of how he looked previously at 144. Roach had no idea that Marquez would come to fight like that and therefore had no effective game plan for Pac. Manny had the weight and experience fighting at WW against bigger guys going into that fight with Marquez and not to mention age and Pacquiao looked worse then he did in all of the fights against JMM WHILE prior Roach and Ariza were saying that Pacquiao was going to blow JMM over. That's an overrated trainer to me. How could anyone, ESPECIALLY an elite trainer underestimate Juan Manuel Marquez after all of his fights he had after the second Pac fight? Only fight he lost was against Mayweather at 144. From that Roach got the idea that he was shot at that weight. Overrated. Roach did a good job with Manny but technically he hasn't done enough for Manny.

[Twako]

Good point but I don't think Dundee said in the 3rd fight with Norton that Ali would KO Norton early in the 3rd and that "Only God could save Ken Norton".

a floyd fan you are, you're taking trash talking seriously? lol.