Comments Thread For: Arum Not Worried About Pacquiao Matching Floyd's Stats

[DeadLikeMe]

This whole post came (word for word) www.**********'s Daily Bread. This is word for Saturday's (05/19/2012) mailbag. The only portion of this that is yours, is the small "45/45..10 for winner" alteration. If you borrow someone else's material, at least give the author credit. Unless you are Stephen "Breadman" Edwards, you did not do this research, and these are not your thoughts. Here is the original version:

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Real quick Bread. I know you’re tired of the Mayweather/Pacquiao talk but just tell me why you think Manny deserves parity. From what I can see Floyd has sold more PPV’s therefore he should get more. Give me a quick argument and convince me please.
Bread’s Response: Mayweather’s PPV numbers: Gatti 365k, Judah 375k, Baldomir 325k, De La Hoya 2.4mill, Hatton 920k, Marquez 1 million, Mosley 1.4 million, Ortiz 1.25 million, Cotto 1.5 million. Floyd’s total is 9,535,000 PPV’s sold.

Pacquiao’s PPV numbers: Morales 1 350k, Morales2 360k, Morales3 350k, Solis 200k, Barerra2 350k, Marquez2 400k, Diaz 250k, De La Hoya 1.25 mill, Hatton 850k, Cotto 1.25 million, Clottey 700k, Margarito 1.15 million, Mosley 1.3 million, Marquez 1.45 million. Manny’s total is 10,210,000.
I tried to do my best and get the most accurate numbers. I couldn’t get Manny’s numbers for his fight with Oscar Larios because the PPV was in the Phillipines. Floyd has sold about 9.5 mill in 9 PPV appearances. Manny has about 10.2 mill in 14 PPV appearances. Manny has sold MORE PPV while Floyd averages more per appearance.


Manny has fought some less promoted, lesser name guys on smaller PPV shows. Where as Floyd who is marketed better ,fought bigger more recognizable names on PPV. Floyd also grosses more in his PPV because he is smart enough to charge more. Manny has done much larger live audiences because of his fights in Texas, the stadium is much larger. Floyd usually fights in Vegas where the venue holds around 16k. Depending who I talked to both guys bring heavy money from the bettors. Some say Manny brings in the Asian contingent to the casinos, some say Floyd brings in the urban ballers. I don’t have an accurate number so let’s call that a push. I also couldn’t get a gauge on the Asian market because it’s too extensive.


So there it is another myth that Floyd has sold more PPV than Manny. Floyd has done a higher average on his PPV and he has outsold with most of their common opponents. The real noticeable difference in that department is the De La Hoya fight. But we have to be honest Floyd was the clear B side and had never done over 400k, that was the first 24/7 in which Floyd did a great job in promoting and it was the before the recession. I’m trying to be fair and factor everything in. Manny has only outsold Floyd against Marquez as far as common opponents, 1.45 mill to 1 mill. Against Cotto, Floyd sold 1.5 million and Manny sold 1.25 million. But Floyd’s fight was on Cinco De Mayo and a Mexican star in Alvarez supported the show. Alvarez was paid a whopping sum to be on an undercard, a valid point in which any fair arbitrator has to factor in.


When Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard went to the negotiation tables. Leonard asked for a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 although he was regularly fighting in 12 rounders by that time. Look at his boxrec and attack another false myth. Leonard asked for 10 oz gloves. 10 oz gloves were common also back then for fighters over 147lbs. Now because Hagler conceded to these things, despite Leonard being the bigger star slightly, Hagler made more money. Not only did he get a larger guarantee, but he got more Closed Circuit money. Hagler was allowed to take 48 states of the Closed Circuit while Leonard received the proceeds from DC and Maryland his home states.


In Floyd’s case if Manny is conceding to extra random blood testing, then why can’t Manny at least get a 50/50 cut when everything is so close as far as star power? Tell me was I bias or fair. Tell me did I touch all pertinent facts and state a reasonable solution. Last but not least Manny is pretty much equal to Floyd as far as star power in the US. He has more endorsements and they are both recognizable faces. Floyd is from the US. Manny towers over Floyd in the Philippines and Asian market which will also generate a large sum of money from this fight. Asians actually make up the world’s largest population. If there was ever a 50/50 fight, this is it.
I’m done talking about it….!!!!!!......





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I raised a point about your use of assigning arbitrary numbers to Pacquiao that have no sway over things like the percentage of US/UK PPV splits etc. You pull figures out of the air assigning "wins" for Pac in the Asian markets and other such places. While I have no doubt that Floyd is less popular than Pacquiao in many Asian markets, the relevance of their contribution to revenue is minimal at best. You can't just arbitrarily attribute a value to the "asian market" and declare Pacquiao the winner. You need to show how Pacquiao generates more revenue pertaining to gates and US/UK PPV sales in regards to fight splits.

Your argument is well worded, but it essentially boils down to, "Pacquiao deserves equal if not more money because Asians and Filipinos like him more than Mayweather.

[ncpitbull]

I raised a point about your use of assigning arbitrary numbers to Pacquiao that have no sway over things like the percentage of US/UK PPV splits etc. You pull figures out of the air assigning "wins" for Pac in the Asian markets and other such places. While I have no doubt that Floyd is less popular than Pacquiao in many Asian markets, the relevance of their contribution to revenue is minimal at best. You can't just arbitrarily attribute a value to the "asian market" and declare Pacquiao the winner. You need to show how Pacquiao generates more revenue pertaining to gates and US/UK PPV sales in regards to fight splits.

Your argument is well worded, but it essentially boils down to, "Pacquiao deserves equal if not more money because Asians and Filipinos like him more than Mayweather.

@DeadLikeMe, this is not my argument. Nor is it the argument of the person that originally posted it here.



I also think that the people comparing comparing the Mayweather/Cotto numbers, and factoring in Alvarez/Mosley on the undercard. Julio Caesar Chazez J.R. was on the Pacquiao/Cotto undercard, that should also be factored into those numbers.

[tomhawq]

i don't even know what these floydiots are hating about.

there are always options out there for their hero. martinez is waiting. there's also choices for rematches, cotto, ortiz, mosley. there's also alvarez and khan.

bottom line is if pbf and his fans want no part of pac, then stop these silly ppv and ped testing excuses. the whole world is sick of it. shove this ppv **** back up your a55es.

we all know pac is the real star. he deserves the bigger split, not some fake, boring boxer whom everyone wants to see lose.

[MrRolltide91]

lmao @ that copy and paste ****

[Primera]

it's reported floyd took over 55 mil home when pacman is getting paid 6 mil

who knows how much of that is going to bob arum

[DeadLikeMe]

@DeadLikeMe, this is not my argument. Nor is it the argument of the person that originally posted it here.



I also think that the people comparing comparing the Mayweather/Cotto numbers, and factoring in Alvarez/Mosley on the undercard. Julio Caesar Chazez J.R. was on the Pacquiao/Cotto undercard, that should also be factored into those numbers.

The entire argument the author is trying to make operates on two faulty assumptions.

1.) That the Asian influence somehow directly influences US/UK PPV sales and the live gates of a fight in Vegas. If they want to open their books on revenue streams from Asian nations in regards to a Pacquiao PPV, then absolutely there could be a case. At this point however, you're using an unknown likely non-existent figure to argue an influence over the US/UK market.

2.) That OSDT is still a bargaining chip with some value. After all this Berto and Pederson media exposure, OSDT is no longer a concession. It is a necessity. ESPN was on full blast bringing up Pacquiao/Mayweather and the OSDT as soon as the Pederson results broke news. Pacquiao has agreed to all the testing hasn't he? The OSDT is already on the table and counted.

[Biolink]

it's reported floyd took over 55 mil home when pacman is getting paid 6 mil

who knows how much of that is going to bob arum

Plus PPV backend for Pacquiao. But still his entire purse with PPV for that Bradley fight will be less than Mayweather's guarantee for Cotto. Still Pac-Bradley should be a decent fight.

[ADP02]

Floyd got 2 record breaking #'s fights under his belt and Manny don't.

In the Olympics they would be called "wind aided" and not considered FLOYD's record breaking ..... lol!

[edgarg]

of course it is because that way manny doesn't lose, because consensus is manny loses big to both these guys.

Hey BIG, the consensus when WW1 began at the beginning of August 1914, was the the war would be over BEFORE Christmas 1914. it was over at the armistice on Nov 11th 1918.

I'm not going to waste my time on Pacquiao-Mayweather, or Mayweather-Pacquiao, or who's who, what's what, hi-ho, hee-haw or any of that crap. That's only for haybrains and donkeys.

[check hook]

This article has more holes in it than the piece of Jarlsberg i was gnawing at last night. Seriously, boxing writers need to step their game up.