Comments Thread For: Arum Not Worried About Pacquiao Matching Floyd's Stats

[maguirre]

Dibella is waiting, Floyd. Martinez will make you 2M PPV. Make it happen.

[mistermartin]

Yes. That's what Cinco de Mayo is all about. It's a Mexican holiday.

Agreed. I understand that. Wut I'm saying is that out of a million buys that undercard isn'tresponsible for half a million buys...To me the contribution is negligible. Look at when Margarito was at his height...He & shane did numbers at the gate in Cali but the PPV buys weren't special. Also...Look at all the big May 5, fights in the past...they never broke any records. But I think I'm splitting hairs w/ this subj....Of course the card contributes...but the headliners put the asses in seats in the case of these two kids... It's the casual fan that really drive the sales. & the 50/50 fans who might or might not buy a fight.

[Phil Ivey]

Cotto is the #3 active PPV boxer. Canelo Alvarez was the co-main event on Cinco de Mayo. Yet, Floyd gets all the credit for 1.5 million PPV buys??

No offense, but IF Floyd is the #1 draw, the addition of Cotto & Canelo should've jumped the PPV buys to at least 1.7 to 1.8 million buys.

Mayweather-Ortiz did 1.2 million buys, even though many insiders claim it did under 1 million. Adding Cotto and Canelo makes up the difference.

LOL @ THIS... you do realize its the 2nd highest non heavy weight PPV fight ever? Most people could give a craps ass about the undercard, you're a moron if you think Pacquiao is a bigger draw.

[El Angel]

Well he's not going to, so I would see why he doesn't want to worry about it.

[PowerFlow]

This whole post came (word for word) from Daily Bread. This is word for Saturday's (05/19/2012) mailbag. The only portion of this that is yours, is the small "45/45..10 for winner" alteration. If you borrow someone else's material, at least give the author credit. Unless you are Stephen "Breadman" Edwards, you did not do this research, and these are not your thoughts. Here is the original version:

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Real quick Bread. I know you’re tired of the Mayweather/Pacquiao talk but just tell me why you think Manny deserves parity. From what I can see Floyd has sold more PPV’s therefore he should get more. Give me a quick argument and convince me please.
Bread’s Response: Mayweather’s PPV numbers: Gatti 365k, Judah 375k, Baldomir 325k, De La Hoya 2.4mill, Hatton 920k, Marquez 1 million, Mosley 1.4 million, Ortiz 1.25 million, Cotto 1.5 million. Floyd’s total is 9,535,000 PPV’s sold.

Pacquiao’s PPV numbers: Morales 1 350k, Morales2 360k, Morales3 350k, Solis 200k, Barerra2 350k, Marquez2 400k, Diaz 250k, De La Hoya 1.25 mill, Hatton 850k, Cotto 1.25 million, Clottey 700k, Margarito 1.15 million, Mosley 1.3 million, Marquez 1.45 million. Manny’s total is 10,210,000.
I tried to do my best and get the most accurate numbers. I couldn’t get Manny’s numbers for his fight with Oscar Larios because the PPV was in the Phillipines. Floyd has sold about 9.5 mill in 9 PPV appearances. Manny has about 10.2 mill in 14 PPV appearances. Manny has sold MORE PPV while Floyd averages more per appearance.


Manny has fought some less promoted, lesser name guys on smaller PPV shows. Where as Floyd who is marketed better ,fought bigger more recognizable names on PPV. Floyd also grosses more in his PPV because he is smart enough to charge more. Manny has done much larger live audiences because of his fights in Texas, the stadium is much larger. Floyd usually fights in Vegas where the venue holds around 16k. Depending who I talked to both guys bring heavy money from the bettors. Some say Manny brings in the Asian contingent to the casinos, some say Floyd brings in the urban ballers. I don’t have an accurate number so let’s call that a push. I also couldn’t get a gauge on the Asian market because it’s too extensive.


So there it is another myth that Floyd has sold more PPV than Manny. Floyd has done a higher average on his PPV and he has outsold with most of their common opponents. The real noticeable difference in that department is the De La Hoya fight. But we have to be honest Floyd was the clear B side and had never done over 400k, that was the first 24/7 in which Floyd did a great job in promoting and it was the before the recession. I’m trying to be fair and factor everything in. Manny has only outsold Floyd against Marquez as far as common opponents, 1.45 mill to 1 mill. Against Cotto, Floyd sold 1.5 million and Manny sold 1.25 million. But Floyd’s fight was on Cinco De Mayo and a Mexican star in Alvarez supported the show. Alvarez was paid a whopping sum to be on an undercard, a valid point in which any fair arbitrator has to factor in.


When Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard went to the negotiation tables. Leonard asked for a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 although he was regularly fighting in 12 rounders by that time. Look at his boxrec and attack another false myth. Leonard asked for 10 oz gloves. 10 oz gloves were common also back then for fighters over 147lbs. Now because Hagler conceded to these things, despite Leonard being the bigger star slightly, Hagler made more money. Not only did he get a larger guarantee, but he got more Closed Circuit money. Hagler was allowed to take 48 states of the Closed Circuit while Leonard received the proceeds from DC and Maryland his home states.


In Floyd’s case if Manny is conceding to extra random blood testing, then why can’t Manny at least get a 50/50 cut when everything is so close as far as star power? Tell me was I bias or fair. Tell me did I touch all pertinent facts and state a reasonable solution. Last but not least Manny is pretty much equal to Floyd as far as star power in the US. He has more endorsements and they are both recognizable faces. Floyd is from the US. Manny towers over Floyd in the Philippines and Asian market which will also generate a large sum of money from this fight. Asians actually make up the world’s largest population. If there was ever a 50/50 fight, this is it.
I’m done talking about it….!!!!!!......





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Great post, thanks! I encourage forum member to write into Bread. He would school a lot of people on here, and be challenged by others. That dude is an encyclopedia of boxing knowledge.

[PowerFlow]

double post

[schizopolis23]

Agreed. I understand that. Wut I'm saying is that out of a million buys that undercard isn'tresponsible for half a million buys...To me the contribution is negligible. Look at when Margarito was at his height...He & shane did numbers at the gate in Cali but the PPV buys weren't special. Also...Look at all the big May 5, fights in the past...they never broke any records. But I think I'm splitting hairs w/ this subj....Of course the card contributes...but the headliners put the asses in seats in the case of these two kids... It's the casual fan that really drive the sales. & the 50/50 fans who might or might not buy a fight.

What big May 5th fights in the past are you talking about? Examples?

Margarito-Mosley was HBO..NOT HBO PPV.

[schizopolis23]

LOL @ THIS... you do realize its the 2nd highest non heavy weight PPV fight ever? Most people could give a craps ass about the undercard, you're a moron if you think Pacquiao is a bigger draw.

I never said Pacquiao was a bigger draw. But you're a moron if you think that a big Mexican star fighting his biggest name opponent on Cinco de Mayo doesn't factor into the 1.5 million buys.

[A-Wolf]

lmao @ all these PPV experts.

[DefThatGuy]

PowerFlow its reallllllly easy to say Manny did whatever number Bob Arum says they did. I mean if they were that great HBO would of announced them. Your logic is flawed. Men lie, women lie, Numbers dont. Dont expect 50/50 when you wont reveal the official number.