Comments Thread For: Arum Not Worried About Pacquiao Matching Floyd's Stats

[Deathrowx02]

How much were the numbers on his fights with Margarito? 1st Margarito fight was on regular HBO and so was Clottey. I know because I watched them both. Cotto fights in mostly in New York and not Vegas. Pac fought Cotto and so did Floyd and Floyd did more. Canelo is a funny excuse as to why Floyd PPV sold because if he was getting even close to 1MIL buys then Canelo would have been headlined his own fight instead of being on Floyd's under cards. Everything plays a factor in selling fights and to try and single out why Floyd is selling and not doing it to Pacquiao shows favoritism because for the most part, Pac has fought the same fighters as Floyd and didn't do more numbers than Floyd with exception to Marquez because Pac and JMM has had a history. Pac needs a name for him to sell too because Pac only did 700,000 with Clottey.

Sorry my dude; but the 1st Cotto vs Margarito fight was not on HBO, it PPV. Cotto vs Clottey was regular HBO. I have the tapes, looked it up, put in on and def PPV from July 26 08. Here's the full fight from HBO.com http://www.hbo.com/boxing#/boxing/fi...GyMQIAUKwXOA==
and if you pay close attention to the banners around the arena as the fight is on, you can see the signs of "HBO PPV"
Just wanted to point it out, Margs vs Cotto 1 and 2 were both PPVs

[Deathrowx02]

Also here a link fro Boxrec.com to show that Margarito vs Cotto was HBO PPV

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1281966

[The Tase]

Arum is right in this case. Pacquiao is carrying this PPV while Floyd got help from Cotto and Alvarez.

not to mention the fraudulent dishonest movie theater numbers that skewer ppv stats to favor floyd.

[flint]

another example why arum does'nt want the mayweather. thats all this is.

[al-Xander]

another example why arum does'nt want the mayweather. thats all this is.

Yes. Martinez vs Mayweather will give good numbers. Make it happen Floyd.

[Slip Stream]

how has mayweather not had 4 consecutive in a row? de la hoya, hatton, marquez, mosley, ortiz, cotto. those all were over a million ppv buys. but **** heads are gonna be like "well he retired after hatton" but either way. thats six straight so how is **** boy pacman gonna be the first to crack four.

Whenever you're dealing with Bob Arum there are two things you can absolutely expect, a.) The media to have very little scrutiny of Pacquiao's true numbers or facts surrounding him and b.) Blind unreasoning fervor from Pacquiao's flatworms. For Mayweather, it is what it is; he's well compensated financially so the hate he gets comes with the territory. As long as there is someone else--and it doesn't matter if they are less talented than Floyd--to confer honors on they'll do it. Overlooking the obvious has been a trademark of how the media has covered Floyd's career since Manny's popularity began to rise. To some, there was finally a palatable champion someone they could rally around that wasn't the arrogant and hated Mayweather.

I've always looked at the comparisons between the two fighters to be more illusion than fact and the numbers are no different. No matter how unreasoning Pacquiao's fans are, their ignorance stops at the door of the financiers and folks that bankroll fights. If they were terrible businessmen they’d throw the huge sums of money at Pacquiao like they do at Mayweather. Floyd's 32 million guarantee really puts any talk of numbers to rest because the more valuable fighter and earner is Floyd Mayweather.

But in the magical world of Pacquiao people are free to believe what they want as long as it denigrates Mayweather and bolster their tin god Pacquiao.

Of course he's not. I'm pretty sure there's a good reason why no official #'s have been released for a Pacquiao fight in quite some time. And it has nothing to do with matching Floyd and everything to do with the numbers being quite embarrassing on their own.

The egregiousness doesn't come from the fact that the numbers haven't been released, on the contrary, the problem I have is that anything connected to Pacquiao can't be questioned or better yet, examined.

Bob Arum is still upset Floyd Mayweather walked away from Top Rank and achieved much more success without him. He will never see Floyd Mayweather and his fighter on equal footing. That's one of the real reason the fight hasn't happened. Unfortunately some of the die hard Pac fans think the same way Bob Arum thinks. Floyd Mayweather will never be as great as their fighter no matter what. Pac/Bradley won't break a mil PPV. Pac supporters will find someway to justify that against Mayweather numbers.

Actually you're wrong, Manny's fans don't think at all like Bob Arum thinks because Arum is a cold and logical businessman, while Manny's fans are a salivating mindless mob of zombies. They parrot any news that's bad for Mayweather as if it were John 3:16, and celebrate anything Pacquiao does as if he were God.

With Pacquiao fans it's not so much about "justification," people that justify things are aware on some level that their logic is untenable. But the Pacquiao fanatic has no such awareness just blind unyielding belief.

This article is garbage. Mayweather has had 4 fights in a row with 1 million plus from JMM, Mosley, Ortiz and Cotto.


For Mosley, DLH, Cotto Hatton May outsold Pac. It took Pac 3 tries with JMM to beat mayweathers numbers. There is no comparison so Paktards are reduced to making excuses for why Floyds are better.

No, this article isn't garabage, it's a coronation announcement for "anyone but Mayweather."

[Chuckguy]

Cotto is the #3 active PPV boxer. Canelo Alvarez was the co-main event on Cinco de Mayo. Yet, Floyd gets all the credit for 1.5 million PPV buys??

No offense, but IF Floyd is the #1 draw, the addition of Cotto & Canelo should've jumped the PPV buys to at least 1.7 to 1.8 million buys.

Mayweather-Ortiz did 1.2 million buys, even though many insiders claim it did under 1 million. Adding Cotto and Canelo makes up the difference.

without cotto and Canelo Floyd does 1.2
with them he does 1.5
big differnce there
good point!

[rambov]

Yes because Arum can always make up numbers like he did for the last two.

OF course he doens't have to worry.

[Chuckguy]

not to mention the fraudulent dishonest movie theater numbers that skewer ppv stats to favor floyd.

Why doesn Bobby put pacs fights in theatres?
because there is no interest in them.
Its a chance to make more money for Bobby but he wont do it because he knows no one will go
there is a reason they put mays fights in the cinema
I would never go but I know people who have and they say its packed
go figure

[The Tase]

Whenever you're dealing with Bob Arum there are two things you can absolutely expect, a.) The media to have very little scrutiny of Pacquiao's true numbers or facts surrounding him and b.) Blind unreasoning fervor from Pacquiao's flatworms. For Mayweather, it is what it is; he's well compensated financially so the hate he gets comes with the territory. As long as there is someone else--and it doesn't matter if they are less talented than Floyd--to confer honors on they'll do it. Overlooking the obvious has been a trademark of how the media has covered Floyd's career since Manny's popularity began to rise. To some, there was finally a palatable champion someone they could rally around that wasn't the arrogant and hated Mayweather.

I've always looked at the comparisons between the two fighters to be more illusion than fact and the numbers are no different. No matter how unreasoning Pacquiao's fans are, their ignorance stops at the door of the financiers and folks that bankroll fights. If they were terrible businessmen they’d throw the huge sums of money at Pacquiao like they do at Mayweather. Floyd's 32 million guarantee really puts any talk of numbers to rest because the more valuable fighter and earner is Floyd Mayweather.

But in the magical world of Pacquiao people are free to believe what they want as long as it denigrates Mayweather and bolster their tin god Pacquiao.



The egregiousness doesn't come from the fact that the numbers haven't been released, on the contrary, the problem I have is that anything connected to Pacquiao can't be questioned or better yet, examined.



Actually you're wrong, Manny's fans don't think at all like Bob Arum thinks because Arum is a cold and logical businessman, while Manny's fans are a salivating mindless mobs zombies. They parrot any news that's bad for Mayweather as if it were John 3:16, and celebrate anything Pacquiao does as if he were God.

With Pacquiao fans it's not so much about "justification," people that justify things are aware on some level that their logic is untenable. But the Pacquiao fanatic has no such awareness just bind unyielding belief.



No, this article isn't garabage, it's a coronation announcement for "anyone but Mayweather."

Disgusting & repugnant Floyd Fluffers such as yourself are just as bad if not worse. This is the same fan base, that tried to make excuses & defend floyd for every ****** incorrect thing he says from comparing his drug crusade to the civil rights struggle of dr. martin luther king & malcolm x to flyod's racist, xenophobic rant, beating his baby mama to floyd's disrespect of past great fighters because he's undefeated & they are not.

You want to talk about parroting? That is a Floyd Stan Specialty. From parroting floyd's i got paid 20 mill in one night vs the big show, to floyd's continued character assassination of pac using steroids, to how much bob arum takes off of pac's check...

the list is endless.

Get off your false sense of fake moral high ground along with your feigning neutrality and grossly exaggerated fake boxing knowledge.

Dont act like floyd fans are above reproach. Its a two way street here.

& no, Floyd did not hit 1 mill ppvs vs hatton. Talk about living in a magical world.