Comments Thread For: Arum Not Worried About Pacquiao Matching Floyd's Stats

[tomhawq]

this is floyd fans favorite subject.

floyd doesn't have to fight pac. we know that already.

stay away from this subject pac...tards.

[Fetta]

Mayweather’s PPV numbers: Gatti 365k, Judah 375k, Baldomir 325k, De La Hoya 2.4mill, Hatton 920k, Marquez 1 million, Mosley 1.4 million, Ortiz 1.25 million, Cotto 1.5 million. Floyd’s total is 9,535,000 PPV’s sold.

Pacquiao’s PPV numbers: Morales 1 350k, Morales2 360k, Morales3 350k, Solis 200k, Barerra2 350k, Marquez2 400k, Diaz 250k, De La Hoya 1.25 mill, Hatton 850k, Cotto 1.25 million, Clottey 700k, Margarito 1.15 million, Mosley 1.3 million, Marquez 1.45 million. Manny’s total is 10,210,000.
I tried to do my best and get the most accurate numbers. I couldn’t get Manny’s numbers for his fight with Oscar Larios because the PPV was in the Phillipines. Floyd has sold about 9.5 mill in 9 PPV appearances. Manny has about 10.2 mill in 14 PPV appearances. Manny has sold MORE PPV while Floyd averages more per appearance.


Manny has fought some less promoted, lesser name guys on smaller PPV shows. Where as Floyd who is marketed better ,fought bigger more recognizable names on PPV. Floyd also grosses more in his PPV because he is smart enough to charge more. Manny has done much larger live audiences because of his fights in Texas, the stadium is much larger. Floyd usually fights in Vegas where the venue holds around 16k. Depending who I talked to both guys bring heavy money from the bettors. Some say Manny brings in the Asian contingent to the casinos, some say Floyd brings in the urban ballers. I don’t have an accurate number so let’s call that a push. I also couldn’t get a gauge on the Asian market because it’s too extensive.


So there it is another myth that Floyd has sold more PPV than Manny. Floyd has done a higher average on his PPV and he has outsold with most of their common opponents. The real noticeable difference in that department is the De La Hoya fight. But we have to be honest Floyd was the clear B side and had never done over 400k, that was the first 24/7 in which Floyd did a great job in promoting and it was the before the recession. I’m trying to be fair and factor everything in. Manny has only outsold Floyd against Marquez as far as common opponents, 1.45 mill to 1 mill. Against Cotto, Floyd sold 1.5 million and Manny sold 1.25 million. But Floyd’s fight was on Cinco De Mayo and a Mexican star in Alvarez supported the show. Alvarez was paid a whopping sum to be on an undercard, a valid point in which any fair arbitrator has to factor in.


When Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard went to the negotiation tables. Leonard asked for a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 although he was regularly fighting in 12 rounders by that time. Look at his boxrec and attack another false myth. Leonard asked for 10 oz gloves. 10 oz gloves were common also back then for fighters over 147lbs. Now because Hagler conceded to these things, despite Leonard being the bigger star slightly, Hagler made more money. Not only did he get a larger guarantee, but he got more Closed Circuit money. Hagler was allowed to take 48 states of the Closed Circuit while Leonard received the proceeds from DC and Maryland his home states.


In Floyd’s case if Manny is conceding to extra random blood testing, then why can’t Manny at least get a 50/50 cut when everything is so close as far as star power? Tell me was I bias or fair. Tell me did I touch all pertinent facts and state a reasonable solution. Last but not least Manny is pretty much equal to Floyd as far as star power in the US. He has more endorsements and they are both recognizable faces. Floyd is from the US. Manny towers over Floyd in the Philippines and Asian market which will also generate a large sum of money from this fight. Asians actually make up the world’s largest population. If there was ever a 50/50 fight or 45/45..10 for winner, this is it.

So HBO finally released the numbers or is this all heresay. If the official numbers arent released i dont care how much time u wasted idont believe it.

[DeadLikeMe]

Mayweather’s PPV numbers: Gatti 365k, Judah 375k, Baldomir 325k, De La Hoya 2.4mill, Hatton 920k, Marquez 1 million, Mosley 1.4 million, Ortiz 1.25 million, Cotto 1.5 million. Floyd’s total is 9,535,000 PPV’s sold.

Pacquiao’s PPV numbers: Morales 1 350k, Morales2 360k, Morales3 350k, Solis 200k, Barerra2 350k, Marquez2 400k, Diaz 250k, De La Hoya 1.25 mill, Hatton 850k, Cotto 1.25 million, Clottey 700k, Margarito 1.15 million, Mosley 1.3 million, Marquez 1.45 million. Manny’s total is 10,210,000.
I tried to do my best and get the most accurate numbers. I couldn’t get Manny’s numbers for his fight with Oscar Larios because the PPV was in the Phillipines. Floyd has sold about 9.5 mill in 9 PPV appearances. Manny has about 10.2 mill in 14 PPV appearances. Manny has sold MORE PPV while Floyd averages more per appearance.


Manny has fought some less promoted, lesser name guys on smaller PPV shows. Where as Floyd who is marketed better ,fought bigger more recognizable names on PPV. Floyd also grosses more in his PPV because he is smart enough to charge more. Manny has done much larger live audiences because of his fights in Texas, the stadium is much larger. Floyd usually fights in Vegas where the venue holds around 16k. Depending who I talked to both guys bring heavy money from the bettors. Some say Manny brings in the Asian contingent to the casinos, some say Floyd brings in the urban ballers. I don’t have an accurate number so let’s call that a push. I also couldn’t get a gauge on the Asian market because it’s too extensive.


So there it is another myth that Floyd has sold more PPV than Manny. Floyd has done a higher average on his PPV and he has outsold with most of their common opponents. The real noticeable difference in that department is the De La Hoya fight. But we have to be honest Floyd was the clear B side and had never done over 400k, that was the first 24/7 in which Floyd did a great job in promoting and it was the before the recession. I’m trying to be fair and factor everything in. Manny has only outsold Floyd against Marquez as far as common opponents, 1.45 mill to 1 mill. Against Cotto, Floyd sold 1.5 million and Manny sold 1.25 million. But Floyd’s fight was on Cinco De Mayo and a Mexican star in Alvarez supported the show. Alvarez was paid a whopping sum to be on an undercard, a valid point in which any fair arbitrator has to factor in.


When Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard went to the negotiation tables. Leonard asked for a 12 round fight. Hagler wanted 15 although he was regularly fighting in 12 rounders by that time. Look at his boxrec and attack another false myth. Leonard asked for 10 oz gloves. 10 oz gloves were common also back then for fighters over 147lbs. Now because Hagler conceded to these things, despite Leonard being the bigger star slightly, Hagler made more money. Not only did he get a larger guarantee, but he got more Closed Circuit money. Hagler was allowed to take 48 states of the Closed Circuit while Leonard received the proceeds from DC and Maryland his home states.


In Floyd’s case if Manny is conceding to extra random blood testing, then why can’t Manny at least get a 50/50 cut when everything is so close as far as star power? Tell me was I bias or fair. Tell me did I touch all pertinent facts and state a reasonable solution. Last but not least Manny is pretty much equal to Floyd as far as star power in the US. He has more endorsements and they are both recognizable faces. Floyd is from the US. Manny towers over Floyd in the Philippines and Asian market which will also generate a large sum of money from this fight. Asians actually make up the world’s largest population. If there was ever a 50/50 fight or 45/45..10 for winner, this is it.

You're just pulling fake numbers out of the air and assigning them to Manny, what kind of garbage is that? If the largest gauge is US-PPV sales and Asian markets are so important, how about Floyd gets all the US-UK PPV and Manny gets all the Asian PPV/TV revenue? Philippines doesn't count for ****, lets be real here. You can't just freely assign Manny these fictional numbers based on the hopes and dreams of asian child laborers and you guys do it all the time.

Floyd has two of the top two highest grossing non-heavyweight fights of all time.

Pacquiao has zero of the top two highest grossing non-heavy fights of all time.

When it comes to negotiating splits of US/UK PPVs Floyd has the numbers. Pixie dust, fairywinkles, estimated love of Philippines multiplied by the ratio of Pac:May google searches count for absolutely jack diddly.

[tredh]

So it makes sense to folks to compare the totals of 9 PBF ppv to 14 Manny ppv fights. Why does that make sense? If you really look at it and say Manny retired for almost 2 years PBF would easily in 1-fight surpass Manny's total if its really PBF 9Mill to Manny's 10Mill.

45/45 + 10% to winner is ****ing ****** and should never be agreed to by any fighter. That is just bad business especially with the way fighters have been getting robbed in fights. It's bad enough that a fighter gets robbed but add on top of that they lose out on 10% of split makes it that much worse. No fighter should ever agree to that and people need to stop repeating that BS offer. That is just as bad as PBF offering Manny no PPV money at all. Both just wrong and dumb.

[Terrel]

Arum not worried about Pacquiao matching Floyds stats...

'cause he will make up his own numbers anyway.

[GRUSTLER]

wtf are you talking about? other than cotto vs pac & floyd,

cotto has always been a headliner.

Same with canelo who is being groomed as the next cash cow. Just because they dont do ppv, doesnt mean they dont headline.

How much were the numbers on his fights with Margarito? 1st Margarito fight was on regular HBO and so was Clottey. I know because I watched them both. Cotto fights in mostly in New York and not Vegas. Pac fought Cotto and so did Floyd and Floyd did more. Canelo is a funny excuse as to why Floyd PPV sold because if he was getting even close to 1MIL buys then Canelo would have been headlined his own fight instead of being on Floyd's under cards. Everything plays a factor in selling fights and to try and single out why Floyd is selling and not doing it to Pacquiao shows favoritism because for the most part, Pac has fought the same fighters as Floyd and didn't do more numbers than Floyd with exception to Marquez because Pac and JMM has had a history. Pac needs a name for him to sell too because Pac only did 700,000 with Clottey.

[Primera]

Let's see how they do with common opponents

floyd-cotto
manny-cotto
(floyd wins)

floyd-mosley
manny-mosley
(floyd wins)

floyd-hatton
manny-hatton
(floyd wins)

floyd-de la hoya
manny-de la hoya
(floyd wins)

coincidence?

[The Tase]

How much were the numbers on his fights with Margarito? 1st Margarito fight was on regular HBO and so was Clottey. I know because I watched them both. Cotto fights in mostly in New York and not Vegas. Pac fought Cotto and so did Floyd and Floyd did more. Canelo is a funny excuse as to why Floyd PPV sold because if he was getting even close to 1MIL buys then Canelo would have been headlined his own fight instead of being on Floyd's under cards. Everything plays a factor in selling fights and to try and single out why Floyd is selling and not doing it to Pacquiao shows favoritism because for the most part, Pac has fought the same fighters as Floyd and didn't do more numbers than Floyd with exception to Marquez because Pac and JMM has had a history. Pac needs a name for him to sell too because Pac only did 700,000 with Clottey.

nevertheless, my point still stands & larry was incorrect.

Cotto has been the headliner almost his entire career. The only time cotto wasnt the headliner was when he faced pac & floyd.

[rsx03wba]

lol i remember everyone said Pacman was the biggest draw and he fought clottey and only made 700K ppv buys. Then he fights margarito and goes over a million and they give no credit to margarito for the buys. thats a huge increase from one fight to another and they claim catchweight manny is a huge draw.

[ManOnTheMoon]

Arum is right in this case. Pacquiao is carrying this PPV while Floyd got help from Cotto and Alvarez.