Taylor - Unwilling To Be Great

[Manny_P]

That's my biggest problem with Taylor. He was spoon fed the entire division to get to the champion with a padded record with 0 names on it until Hopkins. If anybody took a chance, it was Hopkins by making one of his last fights with an up and commer instead of a bum.

you don't know what you're talkin about. Padded record? LOL. Taylor only had 20+ wins pre Hop vs Taylor 1. That aint padded. He stepped up and challenged the champion and WON!

It would make sense fo Hop ta fight Taylor. HE WAS champion. What was he suppose to do? Duck Taylor? Besideds he thought he could beat Taylor eazy.

[TuPrincipe]

That's my biggest problem with Taylor. He was spoon fed the entire division to get to the champion with a padded record with 0 names on it until Hopkins. If anybody took a chance, it was Hopkins by making one of his last fights with an up and commer instead of a bum.

As much as Manny_P is an ignorant twirp I have to agree with him here.

Jermain Taylor fought Marquez, Joppy, Eduardo in his last 3 fights leading up to Hopkins. That is hardly a bad resume considering He was taking on a future hall of famer in Hopkins.

Don't type out worthless garbage if you don't know what you're talking about. It just makes you look like an ass.

[Dirt E Gomez]

but you just said his record was padded, so doesnt that make him a bum.

You can have a padded record and not be a bum so long as you've accomplished some things. If he had gotten blown out by B-Hop, then he'd be a bum.

Also, if his record was so padded, how did he manage to win the fight, let me guess, they spoon fed him that one too.

He won a controversial decision with a 40 year old B-Hop. Also, having a padded record doesn't mean you're an awful fighter... it just means you've got a padded record.

and another thing, there are very few fighters that arent brought up that way. Hell hopkins was one of them.

Hopkins fought RJJ near his prime as his 24th fight after demolishing the competition in his earlier career with early round KO's. Hopkins earned his way up the ladder to a title shot in a different manner, despite the wins/losses of his opponents.

[Manny_P]

You can have a padded record and not be a bum so long as you've accomplished some things. If he had gotten blown out by B-Hop, then he'd be a bum.



He won a controversial decision with a 40 year old B-Hop. Also, having a padded record doesn't mean you're an awful fighter... it just means you've got a padded record.



Hopkins fought RJJ near his prime as his 24th fight after demolishing the competition in his earlier career with early round KO's. Hopkins earned his way up the ladder to a title shot in a different manner, despite the wins/losses of his opponents.

Hopkins fought Jones as his 24th fight and lost by a WIDE MARGIN

Taylor fought Hop in his 24th fight and became champion and as his 25th, beat Hopkins again by UNANIMOUS DECISION!


do you see that?

[Dirt E Gomez]

As much as Manny_P is an ignorant twirp I have to agree with him here.

Jermain Taylor fought Marquez, Joppy, Eduardo in his last 3 fights leading up to Hopkins. That is hardly a bad resume considering He was taking on a future hall of famer in Hopkins.

Don't type out worthless garbage if you don't know what you're talking about. It just makes you look like an ass.

Hahaha. Joppy was virtually retired when he fought Taylor. Eduardo was untested, and Marquez, while a relatively good fight, isn't exactly a monster to be feared to injure or KO a young buck like Taylor.

[restless_438]

That's my biggest problem with Taylor. He was spoon fed the entire division to get to the champion with a padded record with 0 names on it until Hopkins. If anybody took a chance, it was Hopkins by making one of his last fights with an up and commer instead of a bum.

Smartest post of the week.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Hopkins fought Jones as his 24th fight and lost by a WIDE MARGIN

Taylor fought Hop in his 24th fight and became champion and as his 25th, beat Hopkins again by UNANIMOUS DECISION!


do you see that?

A prime Jones is much different than a 40 year old Hopkins. It's not something that can be compared and used against Hop.

[Manny_P]

A prime Jones is much different than a 40 year old Hopkins. It's not something that can be compared and used against Hop.

Jones only had 21 fights when he fought Hop. That wasn't really his prime time.

[Manny_P]

Smartest post of the week.

that's one of the weakest point Dirt E Gomez has brought up in the whole thread man!

[tracylee]

This past Saturday night, Jermain Taylor was once again unable to win impressively over former middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins. Taylor managed to grab a razor thin decision in a fight that mirrored their first meeting. The only difference between the first fight, and the second, was the broader lack of action in the ring.

Neither man was willing to engage, which turned the fight into a snooze-fest. The promoters built up a fiesta called "No Respect", when the event should of been called "More Respect". Both fighters appeared to be even more unwilling to make the fight - a fight.

The public threw down 50 dollars to watch a con job, two fighters that promised knockouts and aggressive behavior. What the public received was a friendly ballroom waltz. Taylor was unable to find an answer for the right hand of Hopkins, and Hopkins was unable to throw more than one punch at a time. The only difference between their two meetings, was the abundance of coin-flip rounds in the rematch. While there were a few in the first encounter, the second had more. There were several that could of easily went in either direction. The reason there were so many coin-flip rounds was because neither man was willing to step-up. [details]

Seems unfair to say he's unwillng to be great when he was fighting a defensive master, and is still very young, early in his career with alot of room for improvement. Just being able to decision Nard and keep his titles is enough for now..he can and hopefully will improve. I've seen many of his fights and they werent the least bit boring, except for the fights with Nard. Both of them are responsible for that...hell, I've never seen an exciting Hopkins fight, for that matter. Against a different opponet I think Jermain will do more to excite and entertain.