Im sorry Old school fighters are not automatically the best

[NChristo]

only thing is i aint nowhere new to the sport and have seen all the fights you have seen

So what do you think about the result of Pastrano - Johnson, Larry ?.

[- Ram Raid -]

To rip old school fighters 'cause generally they're not as technically proficient as their modern day counterparts is kind of missing the point. Modern day fighters owe their skill levels to the fact that they've built on what's gone before, in that sense they are standing on the shoulders of giants.

Being an ATG doesn't particularly mean that you should expect them to be more skilled than someone who comes along 70 years later. Being an ATG means that they contributed to the evolution of the sport in some way, or to the very way that we define what a great fighter is.

SRR is considered number 1 by many because he was so far ahead of the pack that he propelled the sport forward. The fact that your even speaking Lamotta's name is because he became a standard bearer for heart, courage and determination.

What you're actually saying is on par with stating that Jesse Owens couldn't run for s**t because he wasn't as fast as Olusoji Fasuba.

[Glamour Puss]

The people like Merchant and SUgar were REPORTERS. Their jobs were to help sell newspapers. The way they depict old school fighters is sensationalized to a degree to meet this end. The also glorify the fighters from their youth, which is common for all fans.

I get it when they did it. What i don't get is the NSB 4-5 min video clip mentality that you can show a fighter is an ATG just through that and some press clippings.

That's exactly right. And they perpetuate the myth at every opportunity. I think Sugar said that Pep would win rounds without ever throwing a punch.

Lol, whatever Bert.

People readily accept that modern athletes in any sport are better than the era's of the past, but in boxing's inbred journalistic culture its impossible to say that without rustling up a shitstorm.

[Roman Moreno]

It's embarrassing to read threads like this. It really is. If you're a boxing fan, you should know better. Go back and go do your research and then make posts. So sick of these d*ck-riding, Johnny Come Lately stans who need public polls on NSB to help shape their view of boxing because they started watching the sport right around the time "The World Awaits" was announced. And then have the gall to get mad when they get schooled. ****ing disgusting.

That's the problem.

[The Big Dunn]

No not true, he was a solid beast, it takes skills to put pressure and impose your will. And, make your opponent to fight your fight. He was good at that. He was good at cutting off the ring.

Was his style cute in the ring, was he flashy, was defensive orientated? No. But, offensively did he have subtle skills? Yes he did. Had a nice uppercut too and solid body puncher. Margarito was good at fighting on the inside. By no means a bum skill wise.

But, again is what people presume to be skills. I have read that Oscar is more skilled than Chavez. Or, that he had better defense than Chavez Sr. Which is not true. Chavez sr defense on the inside, he could roll with punches, he could slip and duck punche, he would parry punches and also fight off the backfoot if needed to. While Oscar defense was just his feet and that's it.

I'd have to disagree with your assessment of Margs.H He was across the board average IMO.

But your points about people wtching missing subtle skills is spot on.

[Atreyu Khalil]

exactly..........lets post footage example jack johnson.how is he a top heavyweight atg??look how he fights



harry greb

both of their styles had major holes and would be destroyed by many fighters within the past 30 years

Greb looks like one of my 8 year old cousins tryna fight and wrestle. A lot of old school fighters fought part time fighters who didnt have much skills. Alot of them have padded records as well....

[TheHayeMaker]

Lennox Lewis

was the peak of boxing h2h powers.


Before Lewis it was just all leading to Lewis, after Lewis it's just declining from Lewis.


Lewis literally got it all. Power Strength Heart Size. Agility. Speed. Power. Ring Generalship

so I sort of agree with the TS on this.


But after Lewis it's s a decline

[Roman Moreno]

I'd have to disagree with your assessment of Margs.H He was across the board average IMO.

But your points about people wtching missing subtle skills is spot on.

In my assessment of Margarito what did I say that was inaccurate?

Was he not good at cutting of the ring?

Was he not a solid body puncher?

Did he not have a good uppercut?

Did he not put pressure on fighters?

Did he not impose his will and make his opponents fight his fight?

Was he not good inside fighter?

[The Big Dunn]

That's exactly right. And they perpetuate the myth at every opportunity. I think Sugar said that Pep would win rounds without ever throwing a punch.

Lol, whatever Bert.

People readily accept that modern athletes in any sport are better than the era's of the past, but in boxing's inbred journalistic culture its impossible to say that without rustling up a shitstorm.

The bias in the older reporters is they want the best of both worlds. I'm not saying they are wrong. But Merchant/Sugar (rip) or any other reporters opinion and a 5 min video from 1950's shouldn't be enough for someone to place that fighter above a modern fighter.

[Paclan]

Lennox Lewis

was the peak of boxing h2h powers.


Before Lewis it was just all leading to Lewis, after Lewis it's just declining from Lewis.


Lewis literally got it all. Power Strength Heart Size. Agility. Speed. Power. Ring Generalship

so I sort of agree with the TS on this.


But after Lewis it's s a decline

lewis falls under old school bud.