Comments Thread For: Berto's Failed Test: New Details; Good News For Andre

[Simply Zyzz]

Read the article first people, before you make a post.

The report said Berto was tested positive for Ultra-trace amounts of Nandrolone in the low parts per trillion range and consistent with contamination not intent.

Now, try activating a little brain function and digest what that says.

read the title, Comments Thread For: Berto's Failed Test: ...


end of story, rules are rules and if you failed a test than you have failed the test... digest that

[komodo]

No, I'm afraid you do.

Alberto Contador had 0.000000000050 grams in his system, claimed that contamination b/s too and he got a 2 year ban.

You don't know Berto was taking, when he took it, how much he took or how or if he was trying to conceal it.
You're just swallowing the accounts, spin and opinions of those who have a vested interest in seeing him fight.

Each and every athlete who has failed a steroids test has come with some excuse, this is just the latest in a long, long line of predecessors..

It's really not that difficult to figure out. Once taken nandrolone stays in the body for around 18 months, Berto was tested before and after the first Ortiz fight and nothing showed up.

If Berto took anything with intend and by that I mean the doses necessary in order to see any benefit in the past 6-18 month then the VADA results would clearly show this but all they show is the by product in the tiniest of amounts which indicates a case of contamination.

It's also possible that he was given a cortisone based steroid to repair his bicep after suffering an injury which could ultimately metabolized into nandrolone. I'm not trying to defend Berto just pointing out that the analysis of the results are inconsistent with the notion of Berto intentionally trying to gain an unfair advantage.

Ultimately this is a matter for the commission and I'm sure once they have all the facts they will judge accordingly but if what Montoya says in the article is factual then I'd be surprised if any further action is taken against Berto who could genuinely be in the dark here and we could have ultimately missed seeing a FOTY candidate due to hasty decision making.

[Weebler I]

Berto was tested before and after the first Ortiz fight and nothing showed up.

Marion Jones sailed through 160 drugs tests, Shane Mosley never failed a drugs test in his life.

This time - they got him.

I'd be surprised if any further action is taken against Berto who could genuinely be in the dark here

As would I, boxing is a joke when it comes to disciplinary action, unprofessional and shady as fcuk.

we could have ultimately missed seeing a FOTY candidate due to hasty decision making.

No, we missed a FOTY candidate because Berto tested positive for steroids.

[Swazye510]

I knew Berta was going to get away!

The dude has backing from hbo, paid in millions, just a bit of side money for everyone.

[VIPrice]

Marion Jones sailed through 160 drugs tests, Shane Mosley never failed a drugs test in his life.

This time - they got him.



As would I, boxing is a joke when it comes to disciplinary action, unprofessional and shady as fcuk.



No, we missed a FOTY candidate because Berto tested positive for steroids.

dude, did you read this or just pick and choose?

It's really not that difficult to figure out. Once taken nandrolone stays in the body for around 18 months, Berto was tested before and after the first Ortiz fight and nothing showed up.

If Berto took anything with intend and by that I mean the doses necessary in order to see any benefit in the past 6-18 month then the VADA results would clearly show this but all they show is the by product in the tiniest of amounts which indicates a case of contamination.

trace amounts = 2 drops in an olympic style swimming pool. 2 drops. these trace amounts are going to be detectable in his system for 3-18 months. if he was juicing with nadralone before the quantity in his system would have been massively higher and he would have tested positive in his prior tests. unless youre insinuating he was juicing with some other PED, which would be pure conjecture.

trace amounts = no benefit.

people say every athelete who gets a positive has an excuse. every prisoner claims to be innocent. that does not mean they all are or all arent. most would not be, but you must judge each case on its merits.

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article12456.html

[J Dubb II 330]

Too many illiterate posters who can not comprehend what they are reading

[J Dubb II 330]

He passed all tests prior to his injury that postponed the fight, which was reported on January 31st.

He would have far more than trace amounts still in his system.

Did he in theory break rules, yes because he tested positive even though he was not aware of what was in his body.

Is it common that supplements can be contaminated with nandrolone, yes 80% of cases between 98-03 were cause of contamination.

Nandrolone is not the steriod of choice for Modern day athletes looking to juice.

Berto and his team would have to be complete morons to not only ask for testing but also use a steroid that stays in your system for 6-18 months.

So in theory anyone who believes he was intentionally using steroids is an idioy in my book

[La_Vibora]

He passed all tests prior to his injury that postponed the fight, which was reported on January 31st.

He would have far more than trace amounts still in his system.

Did he in theory break rules, yes because he tested positive even though he was not aware of what was in his body.

Is it common that supplements can be contaminated with nandrolone, yes 80% of cases between 98-03 were cause of contamination.

Nandrolone is not the steriod of choice for Modern day athletes looking to juice.

Berto and his team would have to be complete morons to not only ask for testing but also use a steroid that stays in your system for 6-18 months.

So in theory anyone who believes he was intentionally using steroids is an idioy in my book

THANK YOU! And for the record I am definitely not one of Berto's biggest fans, I have said for a while that he was overrated, but I pretty much knew from the moment I heard "nandrolone" that something was up. If it we're anything else, I would he right there with you guys calling him a cheater.

[komodo]

Marion Jones sailed through 160 drugs tests, Shane Mosley never failed a drugs test in his life.

This time - they got him.


As would I, boxing is a joke when it comes to disciplinary action, unprofessional and shady as fcuk.



No, we missed a FOTY candidate because Berto tested positive for steroids.

Like I said if Berto had taken nandrolone in the last 6-18 months with intent the VADA results would have shown this but they didn't.

People seem to get things twisted soon as they hear a positive result. It's VADA's job through mainly using CIR testing to establish the presence of any banned substances in the body and that is exactly what they've done here and they deserve credit for that.

However it's not their job to analyse the results or come up with valid reasons as to the presence of banned substances. That's a job for the commission and Berto's attorneys and reasonable people should wait until all the facts are present before making judgement.

The analysis of the results clearly shows no intent in the use of nandrolone and for that reason I'm not going to bash someone and stop him eating but you can twist and turn things however you want and come up with irrelevant points all day if it makes you sleep at night.

[komodo]

trace amounts = 2 drops in an olympic style swimming pool. 2 drops. these trace amounts are going to be detectable in his system for 3-18 months. if he was juicing with nadralone before the quantity in his system would have been massively higher and he would have tested positive in his prior tests. unless youre insinuating he was juicing with some other PED, which would be pure conjecture.

trace amounts = no benefit.

people say every athelete who gets a positive has an excuse. every prisoner claims to be innocent. that does not mean they all are or all arent. most would not be, but you must judge each case on its merits.

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article12456.html

That's the point that I raised earlier. The trace amounts found were on a trillionth scale which in reality is thousands of times smaller than a grain of salt.