Comments Thread For: Ariza: "Manny cant fight anyone not promoted by Bob"

[The Big Dunn]

Who said Arum has no control?

The point is it doesn't take Bob Arum to not agree to that laughable offer. No one would agree to it, there's nothing special about Arum in this situation

This is where the back and forth comes in. Floyd last offer was ****. His first offer was legit. Manny turned both down. Floyd isn't going back to the other deal. Bob and Manny want to agree to the dec 2009 deal now because 50% is more than he is worth. Bob is offering 45/450 because manny isn't worth 45%

Credit to Bob for trying to get his fighter tghe moist possible. But that is what is stopping the fight. **** all the bS, run the numbers and split.

[The Big Dunn]

So you can only get a fight with Floyd if you accept a flat fee, and no ppv sales?

and how is he not worth 45% when he has hit over a million PPV sales 5 out of last 7 fights?

See my other posts regarding that offer.

[Jedi Vader]

Floyd's last fight with Arum was Judah, I believe. For a belt. And it was at that time that Floyd was pushing Arum to make Oscar-Floyd, and Arum was refusing. Floyd then decided to buy out his contract and go fight Oscar.

So, Floyd was not with Arum for very much of his WW run. Agreed? And Arum himself admits that Floyd was willing to fight those guys you mentioned, but he simply wanted a higher guarantee.

To wit:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

"We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob."

Arum agreed that the split with Mayweather was not on bad terms like their brief breakup last year. In fact, Arum said, "We intend to be back together. Everything with this was honorable and good. I had offered him numbers [for a multi-fight contract extension] that were livable. His expectations are in the stratosphere. He was entitled to buy me out, and he did. We decided this was the best way to handle it. He is a free agent. We have agreed to work with each other [in the future]."

The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result.

Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.

Instead, Arum is turning his attention to the Rahman-Maskaev fight.

Ownage of the extreme order.

[Fetta]

This thread is about Ariza who said its Bob Arum's fault. The same guy who is a member of Pacs close circle. A guy who knows the business aspect of this fight better than any of us on here. Is he scum and dirty? Yes, i think so, but fact is fact that even he is saying IT IS BOB ARUM'S FAULT

Must we go back and forth again?

[Larry the boss]

The comments section is pretty hilarious for the article.

Leo Vinarao
If Manny part his ways to Arum; where do he go. With Golden Boy? What happens to filipino boxers promoted by Golden Boy nothing!!! If not for Arum, Manny not reach where he is now. Arum knows best for Manny than Ariza who is double minded.

[viperz007]

Viper lets try and have a real discussion. $40 mil noppv was bull****. we agree. But manny turned down the fair deal over ost in dec 2009. SO lets just stipulate and move forward.

Run the numbers and split the money that way. Isn' that the fairest thing to do? This way, floyd gets what he earned, manny gets what he earned, and they can fight, which is whjat we want to see.

Is there any other way to split the money that is fair to both fighters?

we all know it wasnt the 50/50 that manny turned down on 2009
it was floyds first demand which is the OST

we all know u know as a floyd groupie that deep down floyd aint changing his stance, he didnt change his stance for 0 day cutt off OST which pac thought for a while and now agreed,
so us talking about which is a fair deal for both is utter useless,

there is only one thing that can make this fight happen, and that is bob agreeing to floyds bulcrap which isnt gonna happen while bob is still alive and FLOYD KNOWS THAT **** from the beggining

floyd aint want this fight periods....

[DeadLikeMe]

This thread is about Ariza who said its Bob Arum's fault. The same guy who is a member of Pacs close circle. A guy who knows the business aspect of this fight better than any of us on here. Is he scum and dirty? Yes, i think so, but fact is fact that even he is saying IT IS BOB ARUM'S FAULT

Must we go back and forth again?

if Ariza said Floyd is ducking the butthurt Hatton fans and pacfarts would be saying, '****** flom0s think they know more than a guy in pacs inner circle. He says something most unbiased fans already think, and now the same guys don't believe Ariza and are asking the Flom0s for an explanation of why it is Arum's fault. Bloody hilarious.

[Khalid X]

Floyd's last fight with Arum was Judah, I believe. For a belt. And it was at that time that Floyd was pushing Arum to make Oscar-Floyd, and Arum was refusing. Floyd then decided to buy out his contract and go fight Oscar.

So, Floyd was not with Arum for very much of his WW run. Agreed? And Arum himself admits that Floyd was willing to fight those guys you mentioned, but he simply wanted a higher guarantee.

To wit:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

"We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob."

Arum agreed that the split with Mayweather was not on bad terms like their brief breakup last year. In fact, Arum said, "We intend to be back together. Everything with this was honorable and good. I had offered him numbers [for a multi-fight contract extension] that were livable. His expectations are in the stratosphere. He was entitled to buy me out, and he did. We decided this was the best way to handle it. He is a free agent. We have agreed to work with each other [in the future]."

The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result.

Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.

"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.

Instead, Arum is turning his attention to the Rahman-Maskaev fight.

It's an easy choice picking Oscar over Margarito. Also, Arum dropped the ball with the Oscar fight, which is common knowledge, but Oscar isn't on the list of fighters I mentioned.

Also that isn't the only time the Margarito fight could have happened, but good job using the Oscar fight, one that was at the tail end of Floyd's Top Rank career, as an excuse.

Speaking of excuses, if Arum isn't Floyd's promoter, how does that impact Floyd's guarantee?

You guys have an excuse for everything when at the end of the day, Floyd never fought those guys and used petty excuses for not facing them in their prime.

[viperz007]

This thread is about Ariza who said its Bob Arum's fault. The same guy who is a member of Pacs close circle. A guy who knows the business aspect of this fight better than any of us on here. Is he scum and dirty? Yes, i think so, but fact is fact that even he is saying IT IS BOB ARUM'S FAULT

Must we go back and forth again?

so does ariza know that getting 0, NADA, ZERO out of PPV sales is a dumb deal?

ur a dumbo by the way

[Khalid X]

if Ariza said Floyd is ducking the butthurt Hatton fans and pacfarts would be saying, '****** flom0s think they know more than a guy in pacs inner circle. He says something most unbiased fans already think, and now the same guys don't believe Ariza and are asking the Flom0s for an explanation of why it is Arum's fault. Bloody hilarious.

So you think it's Arum's fault when it comes to testing issues, and if so how?

Also, how is it Arum's fault that Floyd offered that ridiculous offer?