Comments Thread For: Schaefer on Mayweather's Options, a Pacquiao Deal, Arum

[big_james10]

They have to count the oscar vs mayweather fight in which oscar was the true cash cow and made those numbers, without them it is pretty much equal

what people forget is floyd has 2-3 years on pac, he became a star before him but more importantly is that he got the oscar fight when oscar was at his hottest in terms of ppv

take away the oscar ffight and 50-50 is fair

nothing has changed from 2 years ago when 50-50 was good enough, just more obstacles made by floyd to not make the fight happen

as pac has said, 45-45 and the 10 percent goes to the winner

You are talkin out of both sides of your neck and your entire post is a crock of sh.t! Prior to his fight with Mayweather, Oscar's highest PPV buy was 1.4 million and at least one-third of that was due to Feliz Trinidad. The only other time Oscar cracked the million PPV mark was against Bernard Hopkins. Yet you are trying to convince knowledgeable fans that Oscar jumped from 1.4 million with the help of his opponent (Trinidad) to 2.4 million with no help from his opponent (Mayweather) to 400,000 PPVs in the fight following the Mayweather fight with no help from his opponent (Steve Forbes). If Oscar was at his hottest, why didn't the Forbes fight break 500,000 PPVs? Then, he went up to 1.2 million in the fight following the Forbes fight (Pacquaio) with no help from his opponent since, according to you, Pacquaio was not a star at that time. I don't even think the Pac worshippers are dumb enough to truly believe this crock of sh.t (but then again, I could be wrong about the Pac worshippers).

This is just another excuse from a hater who refuses to see the forest for the trees. You claim that Schaffer's idea is unfair because Mayweather was a star 2-3 years before Pac. Yet, in the same post, you claim that the only reason the Oscar fight sold was because of Oscar. So which is it? Was he a star two to three years before the Oscar fight and, thus half responsible for the huge PPV numbers? Or was he a noboby when he fought Oscar, causing Oscar to be responsible for the entire PPV number, which would negate your idea that Mayweather was a star three years before Pac?

Pac won't even get 45 percent of the revenue from the Bradley fight. He damn sure isn't getting 45 percent from a Mayweather fight.

[big_james10]

Lmao ya....just take away the most successful boxing event of al time. That doesn't count. Wtf is wrong with you people?

good point. However, think about it another way. Even if they took the Oscar fight out of the picture for both fighters and compared their numbers, it would still end up being a 70/30 split in favor of Mayweather because Arum lied about the numbers for Pac/Mosley and Pac/Marquez. I dont think either one broke the million mark and I think the Mosley fight didn't break the 700,000 mark. So, even if you compared the numbers for their last three PPV's or the numbers for their common opponents, not including Oscar (Cotto, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton) Pac would still end up on the short end of a 65/35 split.

[tomhawq]

forget about pac, guys.

martinez would be a better opponent for mayweather's next fight. martinez would bow down to all of the queen's demands. hehe...

why bother with all the bs? right, floyd?

[jcpryor]

For the Oscar fight, Floyd didn't get the higher percentage .... so you need to take that into account.

The Floyd vs Cotto fight had several fighters that helped generate that money as well .... Canelo, Cotto & Mosley. Even Shaefer admitted that Canelo brought a lot of people in and for sure Cotto did as well.

Max Kellerman said this yesterday. If we were to find out that Manny generated more money, Floyd would have never gone for anything less than 50% and I agree!

I dont understand what your point is. First of all - I never said that I thought Mayweather should get more than 50%. I think, while Mayweather may have a point, that Pacquiao generates enough revenue to deserve a 50/50 split.

My whole point was that the idiot that I was quoting was trying to say that they should completely discount the De La Hoya fight, as if it wasn't the biggest fight in history. He tried to imply that Oscar was the main reason that the fight did as well as it did, but frankly Mayweather had just as much to do with it. You can't do that much business with just one big time fighter.

[jcpryor]

good point. However, think about it another way. Even if they took the Oscar fight out of the picture for both fighters and compared their numbers, it would still end up being a 70/30 split in favor of Mayweather because Arum lied about the numbers for Pac/Mosley and Pac/Marquez. I dont think either one broke the million mark and I think the Mosley fight didn't break the 700,000 mark. So, even if you compared the numbers for their last three PPV's or the numbers for their common opponents, not including Oscar (Cotto, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton) Pac would still end up on the short end of a 65/35 split.

I'm inclined to agree with you that Pacquiao's numbers seem odd. I personally don't believe them, but there isn't any solid evidence that suggests that Arum was lying - which is why I think Richard's idea of opening up the books is a good one. Arum most likely wouldn't do it, though.

[OnePunch]

Can anyone explain how Floyd is in the position to offer Pac his $40mil purse when a fighters purse is guaranteed by the fighters promoter? I can understand negotiating the ppv profits, but the overall purse? Wouldnt that be between Arum and Pac while Floyd and his handlers handle his own guaranteed purse?

The lead promoter of the event is responsible for making the guarantees. I'm sure Floyd worked it out with Golden Boy for them to handle the guarantee, since obviously they would be the lead promoter in that scenario.

The only thing to decide on Arum's (Pacquiao) end would be how much of the $40 million would Arum's cut be. And of course logistics like how many flights, rooms, tickets, and undercard spots Arum would get, etc. etc.......

[OnePunch]

40 out of 200 million is not enough you ****ing parakeet. get over it.

problem is that there isnt $200 million in the fight. Dont forget that close to half of the PPV revenue is paid out to the broadcast distributors.

[maguirre]

40 out of 200 million is not enough you ****ing parakeet. get over it.

That's why it's seen as another duck move by the mainstream media. Floyd has been looking like a clown since that insulting offer. Hagler and Wilbon must be puking every time they're reminded of it. It's embarrassing.

[ADP02]

I dont understand what your point is. First of all - I never said that I thought Mayweather should get more than 50%. I think, while Mayweather may have a point, that Pacquiao generates enough revenue to deserve a 50/50 split.

My whole point was that the idiot that I was quoting was trying to say that they should completely discount the De La Hoya fight, as if it wasn't the biggest fight in history. He tried to imply that Oscar was the main reason that the fight did as well as it did, but frankly Mayweather had just as much to do with it. You can't do that much business with just one big time fighter.

People have been just taking the revenue numbers as if it was generated by Floyd only but that is not the case ... plus the circumstances of Floyd vs Oscar and Manny vs Oscar were different. One was expecting it to be a competitive fight with Floyd being a favorite while the other fight seemed to be a non-competitive farce by many .... but then Manny shocked us by beating Oscar.

As for your 2nd point, I agree that it wasn't just Oscar bringing in the fans but then you need to see that it's not only Floyd that is generating the revenue. For example, last week Floyd had Canelo, Cotto and Mosley fighting and bringing in a lot of revenue.

[jcpryor]

People have been just taking the revenue numbers as if it was generated by Floyd only but that is not the case ... plus the circumstances of Floyd vs Oscar and Manny vs Oscar were different. One was expecting it to be a competitive fight with Floyd being a favorite while the other fight seemed to be a non-competitive farce by many .... but then Manny shocked us by beating Oscar.

As for your 2nd point, I agree that it wasn't just Oscar bringing in the fans but then you need to see that it's not only Floyd that is generating the revenue. For example, last week Floyd had Canelo, Cotto and Mosley fighting and bringing in a lot of revenue.

To your second paragraph - you won't be able to locate any post that ive mad esaying that only mayweather was generating the revenue. I've always said that its a team effort. Again, you can't do big numbers of that nature with just one star - which is why I think Mayweather/Pacquiao should be a even split. Manny draws as much interest in this fight as Floyd does. What I will say though, and this is something that cant be disputed, is that Floyd does take home more income than Pacquiao in fights.