So who did Joe Calzaghe duck?

[Madison Boxing]

Literally the most overrated fighter to ever come out of here. Fought ****ing bums and retired.

He only fought 3 top 5 opponents in 46 fights. That's ****ing shocking.

I don't give a **** which snowflake gets triggered but I'm gonna call it as it is - Calzaghe only gets "rated" because he's British, white and undefeated.

Our media will suck off any old hype job. Shiiiiiit if an overrated fighter like Golovkin or Crawford were from here, they'd be considered greater than Calzaghe

Absolute garbage ^ joe beat everyone put in front of him. If anything hes downplayed cause hes british, seems as if on this forum if a brit does something good it doesnt seem to count.

[The3]

[IronDanHamza]

Absolute garbage ^ joe beat everyone put in front of him. If anything hes downplayed cause hes british, seems as if on this forum if a brit does something good it doesnt seem to count.

You are aware that Calzaghe only beat 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 right?

[Madison Boxing]

You are aware that Calzaghe only beat 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 right?

He beat eubank lacy roy Jones hopkins kessler and some other good worl level fighters. What more did u want him to do?

[Guest]

The real shame of Calzaghe is that we never really got to see (much) him really showcase his skills with the best. Though there are some narratives that aren't actually true, no matter how often they're repeated:

1. Carl Froch, above.
People like to confuse times here, particularly as both seem so "recent". But when Froch was calling out Calzaghe, he was just another UK boxer who hadn't made it to European level, let alone world. Okay, we found out Froch could hang there, but we didn't know that at the time.
Although in 2008 Froch went through Pascal-Taylor-Dirrell, when Joe Calzaghe retired Carl's latest opponent was Albert Rybacki. Who? Exactly.
FWIW Froch always said he'd have to win by KO, as the workrate of Calzaghe would make him almost impossible for him to beat on points.

2. Sven Ottke
This is one time where I don't care even if it WAS a duck. I've only seen a handful of Ottke fights, but in all of them I'm amazed he was the "winner". Robin Reid was warned by the referee for hitting the guy. The Germans still do cheating refs like no one else. It's not like Joe would have lost to this guy anyway.

3. Royston "Roy" Jones Jr.
I hear talk about this, and I've never seen this "fear of flying" in interviews that is often quoted.
One thing to note is that when Calzaghe got his world title in the SWM division, Royston had moved up to LHW for a YEAR. So there was never a time when they were in the same division on the same level playing field, much like Joe and Froch.

As for the rest, it's all speculation of varying degrees. The most maddening one is probably Kelly Pavlik, who was tailor made for him.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Joe making haters mad in 2019. What a time to be alive

[Froch_uppercut]

Roy Jones in the 90's, Glen Johnson, Chad Dawson, Hopkins rematch. Those are the fights that could have but didn't happen.

And the fact that they didn't happen was all JC fault right?

F&%$#ng Americans. So far up their own arses it's unreal.

RJ wanted absolutely nothing to do with Joe, absolutely uninterested. Same with Eubank. The supposed great yanks avoided these guys.

****ing yanks: think nothing outside of their world exists at all.

Your media hypes your guys, and you buy it. See also, Wilder, Deontay. He's a piece of **** who has been protected as he is American. Whyte is miles better than him. Joyce and Dubois are far better than him.

[Vasyl’s dad]

And the fact that they didn't happen was all JC fault right?

F&%$#ng Americans. So far up their own arses it's unreal.

RJ wanted absolutely nothing to do with Joe, absolutely uninterested. Same with Eubank. The supposed great yanks avoided these guys.

****ing yanks: think nothing outside of their world exists at all.

Your media hypes your guys, and you buy it. See also, Wilder, Deontay. He's a piece of **** who has been protected as he is American. Whyte is miles better than him. Joyce and Dubois are far better than him.

The hypocrisy of Americans is disgusting. If you talk about Joes bad hands, they act like he never had problems. But they will be the first to scream out that Floyd had hand problems.

[IronDanHamza]

He beat eubank lacy roy Jones hopkins kessler and some other good worl level fighters. What more did u want him to do?

Fight more than 3 fighters ranked in the Top 5 would be a good start.

[IronDanHamza]

The real shame of Calzaghe is that we never really got to see (much) him really showcase his skills with the best. Though there are some narratives that aren't actually true, no matter how often they're repeated:

1. Carl Froch, above.
People like to confuse times here, particularly as both seem so "recent". But when Froch was calling out Calzaghe, he was just another UK boxer who hadn't made it to European level, let alone world. Okay, we found out Froch could hang there, but we didn't know that at the time.
Although in 2008 Froch went through Pascal-Taylor-Dirrell, when Joe Calzaghe retired Carl's latest opponent was Albert Rybacki. Who? Exactly.
FWIW Froch always said he'd have to win by KO, as the workrate of Calzaghe would make him almost impossible for him to beat on points.

2. Sven Ottke
This is one time where I don't care even if it WAS a duck. I've only seen a handful of Ottke fights, but in all of them I'm amazed he was the "winner". Robin Reid was warned by the referee for hitting the guy. The Germans still do cheating refs like no one else. It's not like Joe would have lost to this guy anyway.

3. Royston "Roy" Jones Jr.
I hear talk about this, and I've never seen this "fear of flying" in interviews that is often quoted.
One thing to note is that when Calzaghe got his world title in the SWM division, Royston had moved up to LHW for a YEAR. So there was never a time when they were in the same division on the same level playing field, much like Joe and Froch.

As for the rest, it's all speculation of varying degrees. The most maddening one is probably Kelly Pavlik, who was tailor made for him.

Froch was the WBC Mandatory for Calzaghe when he vacated the belt so he was on the cusp of World Level at the time.

Don't particularly blame him for taking more money to fight Hopkins but, just saying.

Also don't see how Pavlik is speculation. Pavlik and Shot Roy Jones were on the table he and he fought shot Roy instead.