Ortiz - Kirkland at '54. Vote!

[Neglect]

Mandingo Warrior is the dumbest thing I've ever heard though. I had a friend who called himself mandingo and he was gay and dumb as hell.

So no.

It refers to warriors from tribes in Africa, and they were brought here as ******.

[4Corners]

Mandingo Warrior is the dumbest thing I've ever heard though. I had a friend who called himself mandingo and he was gay and dumb as hell.

So no.

He's gay and dumb as hell and he's your friend??? I'd hate to be on your bad side.

Still though, Mandingo is his thing, his real knickname, not Captain Kirk homie. And it's actually a very deep meaning coming from West Africa, from the Niger River Valley. It has meaning.

[NearHypnos]

<_<...Ortiz by brutal beat down...

[chiguy91]

I don't even want to vote. I really like both guys.

I think Kirkland would mentally break him though. If Maidana did, Kirkland could too. I could see Kirkland going down a few times though. He really needs to learn how to hold when he gets hurt.

you need to stop living in the past. kirkland got dropped by a straight shot from angulo that looked pretty effortless. people say he 'punched himself out' after that KD. so only thing kirkland's ever tasted were tired angulo arm punches and molina's shots which he isn't known for power. ortiz is a hard hitter. and he's shown he can get back up off the canvas in the berto fight. i seriously don't think this is an easy walk through for either fighter. both possess stunning power and both can get stunned. but i'd slightly favor ortiz. i still think kirkland is a bit chinny against hard hitters and ortiz can face adversity (regardless of the mayweather debacle). didn't ortiz also get a point deducted for putting his head/hair in berto's face and pushing him up against the ropes. i'm sure he'd try and use that tactic against kirkland since molina showed clinching against kirkland can win you rounds.

[Neglect]

you need to stop living in the past. kirkland got dropped by a straight shot from angulo that looked pretty effortless. people say he 'punched himself out' after that KD. so only thing kirkland's ever tasted were tired angulo arm punches and molina's shots which he isn't known for power. ortiz is a hard hitter. and he's shown he can get back up off the canvas in the berto fight. i seriously don't think this is an easy walk through for either fighter. both possess stunning power and both can get stunned. but i'd slightly favor ortiz. i still think kirkland is a bit chinny against hard hitters and ortiz can face adversity (regardless of the mayweather debacle). didn't ortiz also get a point deducted for putting his head/hair in berto's face and pushing him up against the ropes. i'm sure he'd try and use that tactic against kirkland since molina showed clinching against kirkland can win you rounds.

I don't know where your coming from with this reply. Your arguing with me, but you said like the same thing in a much longer hard to read paragraph.

It's not like I think it would be an easy fight. I just slightly favor Kirkland.

[4Corners]

you need to stop living in the past. kirkland got dropped by a straight shot from angulo that looked pretty effortless. people say he 'punched himself out' after that KD. so only thing kirkland's ever tasted were tired angulo arm punches and molina's shots which he isn't known for power. ortiz is a hard hitter. and he's shown he can get back up off the canvas in the berto fight. i seriously don't think this is an easy walk through for either fighter. both possess stunning power and both can get stunned. but i'd slightly favor ortiz. i still think kirkland is a bit chinny against hard hitters and ortiz can face adversity (regardless of the mayweather debacle). didn't ortiz also get a point deducted for putting his head/hair in berto's face and pushing him up against the ropes. i'm sure he'd try and use that tactic against kirkland since molina showed clinching against kirkland can win you rounds.

The "he punches himself out" excuse is weak. In that case, all Muhammad Ali did was KO a George Foreman that punched himself out for 7 1/2 rounds, therefore he gets no credit.

It's just a bad excuse.

[turbotime]

you need to stop living in the past. kirkland got dropped by a straight shot from angulo that looked pretty effortless. people say he 'punched himself out' after that KD. so only thing kirkland's ever tasted were tired angulo arm punches and molina's shots which he isn't known for power. ortiz is a hard hitter. and he's shown he can get back up off the canvas in the berto fight. i seriously don't think this is an easy walk through for either fighter. both possess stunning power and both can get stunned. but i'd slightly favor ortiz. i still think kirkland is a bit chinny against hard hitters and ortiz can face adversity (regardless of the mayweather debacle). didn't ortiz also get a point deducted for putting his head/hair in berto's face and pushing him up against the ropes. i'm sure he'd try and use that tactic against kirkland since molina showed clinching against kirkland can win you rounds.

Good post. I think Ortiz waxes him and finishes him pretty early. Angulo too.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Good post. I think Ortiz waxes him and finishes him pretty early. Angulo too.

What!!!!Hell no..

[turbotime]

What!!!!Hell no..

A big puncher knocking out a guy with a weak chin. Not too far fetched.

[Rome-By-Ko]

A big puncher knocking out a guy with a weak chin. Not too far fetched.

Ortiz get's bullied and beat up by both..