Bradley will have to KO Pac to win

[odogg8121]

Roy Jones got DQed .... so should anyone else if they did something that goes against the rules .... Floyd's trainer stepped in the ring and wanted to get at Judah .... that could have very easliy been called a DQ.

Given the news of the day, Floyd is really 40 - 2 because Arum must have done something, right?

you are killing your self lol

[Bermuda]

No, this is not what we are saying. If Pac wins legitimately like against Clottey no one would think it was a fixed fight. The fix comes into play when Pac is losing the fight and the paid off judges give Pac the decision - aka Pac vs. Marquez 3.

I know, you think Pac won that fight, fine but last night is an even better example. Rios is Arum's new "star" (he has a good fan base and has a marketable type personality - the "don't give a ****" badass persona). He couldn't have Bam Bam lose that fight against a nobody bum like Abril, so he told Rios and Garcia that as long as he doesnt get knocked out or stopped he is all good and will win. Hence why they showed no deseperation in the corner and celebrated by parading around the ring. disgrace

I scored Pac vs Marquez 3 as a draw..

[ADP02]

you are killing your self lol

Please explain?

Wasn't Floyd under Arum when they gave the decision to Floyd instead of Castillo? So who knows right?

Floyd's trainer was all over the ring trying to get at Judah. The other week, someone got DQed for something that looked very innocent in comparison yet got DQed .... even though he was clearly ahead on points at the time.

Didn't Floyd admit to shooting drugs in his hands just prior to a fight ...

maybe because Floyd is the cash cow of Vegas and Arum had something to do with the above .....

or was the above too long ago to even discuss? (Floyd fans excuse)

[The Gambler1981]

This is hopeful thinking. I just don't think so man. Manny is still a superstar and I strongly believe him and Mayweather will still fight. So Manny will not lose a decision until he fights Mayweather. Come on man, this is Bob Arum, he doesn't think he can make Bradley a star, and he is right about that he will never be.

I would have figured Bradley would have a hard time winning a decision but with this whole incident and the last Manny fight, that is two PPV in a row from Top Rank that people saw questionable judging now things do tend to come in 3's but when Arum controls both guys why even mess with making that an even more popular trend. I know Arum thinks he is the smartest man in the room but I don't think even he thinks he could get away without serious questions getting asked if there was funny stuff.

[ADP02]

Wrong, these Manny can't lose under arum threads were out when Marquez got robbed in november.

Thanks for helping my point. That fight was close but Manny pulled it off, according to me. Still, it was a close fight and that is not a robbery unless you have it out for Manny ... aka Turbo

but perhaps we need to go a bit further back to Floyd vs Castillo? Given your theory, Arum would never let Castillo win that fight, right?

[turbotime]

Thanks for helping my point. That fight was close but Manny pulled it off, according to me. A close fight is not a robbery unless you have it out for Manny ... aka Turbo

but perhaps we need to go a bit further back to Floyd vs Castillo? Given your theory, Arum would never let Castillo win that fight, right?

I scored the first two for Pac so don't act like I'm out to get him whenever he fights. The 3rd fight was a robbery.

You slurp Pac's **** though so of course you'll score it for him

[ADP02]

I scored the first two for Pac so don't act like I'm out to get him whenever he fights. The 3rd fight was a robbery.

You slurp Pac's **** though so of course you'll score it for him

Robbery means it was a clear decisive win but it wasn't. That to me would be a more objective opinion.

Perhaps, you were listening to the UK commentators and that left you with that impression ..... the HBO commentators liked Manny better as Marquez was not doing enough to take the title away from the champ.

Also, Marquez's trainer made a mistake telling Marquez to coast (fight safely) in the last few rounds.

[turbotime]

Robbery means it was a clear decisive win but it wasn't. That to me would be a more objective opinion.

Perhaps, you were listening to the UK commentators and that left you with that impression ..... the HBO commentators liked Manny better as Marquez was not doing enough to take the title away from the champ.

Also, Marquez's trainer made a mistake telling Marquez to coast (fight safely) in the last few rounds.

Nope, I had to listen to Lampley's slurping of Pacquiao, you probably beat off to that telecast. Even with all that cheerleading I scored it a clear Marquez win.

[Mr. Philadel]

everyone knew that after the 2nd JMM fight. To beat Pac you have to leave his body lifeless in the center of the ring. Big Daddy Bob will have it no other way.

I feel the same!!....my prediction for this fight from day one has been Manny by LATE stoppage or decision....Timmy will have to do something EXTRA special like stopping Manny or dropping him a bunch of times

[Oh you out son]

These "Manny can't lose under Arum" threads were out there as soon as they announced Rios the winner.

Manny vs Marquez fight was too close yet you are ready to call it a fix. Some have called the Clottey fight a fix too (Manny haters admitting to this in this thread too)

So besides the close fight where I believe Manny won, there were no fights where Manny won that could have been a loss. Again, it was too close to call a robbery .... but I see that in your subjective opinion it was a fix .... so that kind of rules you out from making an objective opinion just like those who claim Clottey lost. Yet these same critics of Arum are the same ones who don't want to remember that Floyd was also part of Arum when many said he lost to Castillo and was not DQed when his corner rushed Judah in the middle of the round.

Read this thread .... all the excuses in the book because they want to protect their Floyd at all costs.

My point is if you guys really believe that Arum's part of it then why are you ready to say it for Manny (can't lose under Arum) but can't say it for Floyd?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly, by saying Floyd can't lose under Arum. Are you referring to when he was with Arum for the first Castillo fight? That was a very close fight, those who claim that it was a robbery I think are off base and probably Floyd haters.

All of Manny's wins beside the 3rd Marquez fight in my opinion are legitimate wins (because he didn't need any help from Arums judges). So I am not a Manny hater, I'm a fan actually, of him and Floyd.