Who will go down as the greater fighter Juan Manuel Marquez or Tito Trinidad?

[-jose-]

Great question
I'm going to plead the 5th ********* on this one

[Light_Speed]

Again, I watch JMM and his style bores the **** out of me. Tito got knocked out when he moved up and took 27 headbutts over 11 rounds from Hopkins. Tito wanted a rematch regardless, has Marquez mentioned Mayweather V marquez II yet?

LOL yeah Hopkins won because of his headbutts, that's the only reason why he schooled and stopped Tito.

I don't care what Tito wanted, he still got knocked out.

Without his gift against Oscar and without Pac's gift against JMM in the 3rd fight, we wouldn't be having this debate.

[The Surgeon]

Well Marquez aint through yet so we will see....

As it stands right now, they are both great fighters but for me Tito has the better resume and rates slightly higher

Its tight though.

Two of my personal all time favourites here too btw

[onetwopunch]

LOL yeah Hopkins won because of his headbutts, that's the only reason why he schooled and stopped Tito.

I don't care what Tito wanted, he still got knocked out.

Without his gift against Oscar and without Pac's gift against JMM in the 3rd fight, we wouldn't be having this debate.

Cant base who was better from there losses, You have to go by there wins. Tito has bigger names in his resume than JMM has. They were both great but Tito has the better resume. And he still managed to go up to 160 and capture a title, as far as the DLH fight, DLH waited until Tito was ready to go up, Tito had actually already gone up to fight at 154, then he went back down to 147, and DLH still didnt want to stand and fight, DLH lost alot of respect in that fight and he openly admited that he felt Tito to strong in the later rounds and thought he had the fight in the bag...bad choice on his part he should of took the risk and tried to seal the deal but he was scared to.

[edgarg]

That was a disputed decision, he fought John in his backyard and got points deducted by a biased ref. JMM only has one lopsided loss, Tito has 3. JMM has never been knocked out.

You are quite wrong. John won the fight comfortably. Oscar Perez as judge gave John his biggest score, 116-110 about the same as another judge's 117-111. Guillermo Perez Pineda was the referee, and if THEY were biased you can guess who they'd be biased in favour of, judging from their names. One was from Puerto Rico I think, I can't get into Boxrec to confirm. I think even without the deductions he won well.

I recall reading about this after the fight that one Western reporter was there from Ring Magazine, Scott Mallon. He said the decision was accurate and John won well. Everyone over here was trying to use the "home-town decision" route, expecially Marquez who, according to himself and Beristain has never been beaten. Marquez was stripped of the IBF title after there were no bids on the fight...... One popular guy, no doubt. He'd refused $750,000 for the Pacquiao return, asking for $1,5 mill (I think more than Pacquiao was getting) and was forced to fight John for $32,500........... He's very lucky that his skills have lasted into comparative old age and into the mega-money era for lower weight classes.

[edgarg]

Cant base who was better from there losses, You have to go by there wins. Tito has bigger names in his resume than JMM has. They were both great but Tito has the better resume. And he still managed to go up to 160 and capture a title, as far as the DLH fight, DLH waited until Tito was ready to go up, Tito had actually already gone up to fight at 154, then he went back down to 147, and DLH still didnt want to stand and fight, DLH lost alot of respect in that fight and he openly admited that he felt Tito to strong in the later rounds and thought he had the fight in the bag...bad choice on his part he should of took the risk and tried to seal the deal but he was scared to.

"Having the fight in the bag" was the excuse concocted by Oscar to explain that he was afraid to stop and fight, because he could be KO'd. He said his corner told him to do it. Anyone who just looks at the last 4-5 rounds will immediately see that Oscar was too nervous and had no alternative other than run...and mean RUN. It reminded me of the 3rd rd of the Hagler Hearns fight where Hearns, with his nand broken and his jaw hammered, almost turned his back and ran. Hhe was out. Oscar wasn't "out" but was "worn out". The excuse was because he was just as vain of his unbeaten record as "you-know-who"...

3 judges gave Trinidad the last 4 rds and 2 gave him the 5th, a straight "run" of
the last 5 rds.
It was obvious.

[TBear]

I think it's close, imo Tito's best win against DLH was controversial.

IMO it was his decapitation of William Joppy.

[sdcluser]

Juan Ma.

Only real blemish to Floyd in a weight Juanma was not really accustomed to. And Floyd came in overweight.

[sdcluser]

btw, i thought JMM landed the harder, clean shots against John.

[tupapa]

Umm let me see tito got schooled embarressed againts the best fighters he fought while marquez should at the very least have 1 if not 2 wins vs pac and may was the only clear loss on his record.