Who will go down as the greater fighter Juan Manuel Marquez or Tito Trinidad?

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Well after reading these silly ******ed comments by the dumb ass Pac fans, I feel like being ignorant too and saying ****** things about Tito. But I'll be honest.

Tito's wins over past prime Whitaker, a still solid/good Camacho, prime Vargas, and Mayorga, Reid, Campos, Joppy, is slightly better than Marquez's resume as of now, by a hair. But JMM can easily surpass that. So the answer to the thread is probably JMM since the question is "who will end up". Barrera, John Pacquiao, Casamayor, Diaz, and Katsidis is a good resume but Marquez getting robbed at the end of two of those kinda ruins it for him. We'll see. But it's Tito right now.

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Barrera and Casamayor were at the end of their careers on the top. Good fights but not what they could had been a few years prior if they could had fought

MAB and JMM were the same age, out of their respective prime weight classes...i dont believe jmm was in his prime here either.

and Casamayor was coming off of a win to an undefeated katsidis at lightweight while jmm was coming off of a lose and jumped in weight and KO-ed casa,and was only about 2 years younger than him.

funny how ppl forget details.

[Puya]

Pretty sure HBO scored the fight for Wright, genius. Even Ring mag had it for Wright.

Well genius I was referring to the Oscar- Tito fight

[TOBYLEE1]

MAB and JMM were the same age, out of their respective prime weight classes...i dont believe jmm was in his prime here either.

and Casamayor was coming off of a win to an undefeated katsidis at lightweight while jmm was coming off of a lose and jumped in weight and KO-ed casa,and was only about 2 years younger than him.

funny how ppl forget details.

If you want details Kat was battering Joel till he got caught in the fight. JMM and MAB are the same age but are you going to tell me that by that point MAB was still at his best? He had more fights and more wars than JMM at that point.

Nice try

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MAB and JMM were the same age, out of their respective prime weight classes...i dont believe jmm was in his prime here either.

and Casamayor was coming off of a win to an undefeated katsidis at lightweight while jmm was coming off of a lose and jumped in weight and KO-ed casa,and was only about 2 years younger than him.

funny how ppl forget details.

Age oft times has very little to do with prime.

[LeG00N]

What are you 14???

The guy beat Campas,Oscar, Oba Carr, Whitaker, Vargas, among others great fighters.

You are just a hater ]and that includes all of you that voted for Marquez

Okay, except for the fact that Fishnets humiliated Tito for the first part of that fight and clearly showed to be the superior boxer oh and Tito lost

Marquez by a touch, as much as die to the fact that when he moved up he won the lineal title, fought the best, and should also have now been a 4 division welterweight champion whilst beating the number 1 P4P. Tito got knocked out in his similar attempt at that kind of greatness. Marquwz surpassed it with flying colours and was robbed through politics and greed.

Just think for one moment if Marquez got his deserved decision. This wouldn't even be questionable. The only reason people are questioning it is because of backroom corruption.

Marquez also has a lot more excellent champs and top fighters on his resume than many think.

Champs: Julio Gervacio (WBA SBW champ)
Orlando Salido (2x current FW champ)
Agapito Sanchez (SBW champ and Pac's only other draw)
Alfred Kotey (BW champ)
Robbie Peden (SFW champ)
Manuel Medina (5 or 6 time champion and FW great)
Derrick Gainer (multiple champ)
I'm going to throw in Victor Polo, because that fight should have been for the Undisputed FW title. Polo had been brutally robbed against Scotto Harrison, the other champion, and so Marauez fought Polo instead of Harrison as that was the guy that was considered the 'real' other champ at the weight at the time. As always, people look back and only see a BS draw instead of Polo being the champion and Marquez missing out on his Undisputed claim. Disgrace. That fight was nearly as bad as Abril/Rios. He was also screwed in his only other title fight outside his country (of course) when the ref ruled an obvious slip against him on the opponents corners towel being left on the ring apron. It literally lost him the fight and title. Poor bastard.
Terdsak Jandaeng (WBC SFW title)
Marco A. Barrera
Rocky Juarez (I'm putting him in here because he was clearly a top flight fighter when Marquez fought him)
Joel Casamayor (lineal SFW and LW titlist)
Juan Diaz (unified LW champ)
Katsidis (ATG legend!)

You also have his two 'losses' to Pac. Despite 80-90% of people believing he pretty clearly one either or both of those fights, it was only the money fighter that got the nods. The third fight was clearly a Marquez win, which should have lead him to being one of the very few fighter in history to jump from 135 to 147 and beat the top flight P4P 1 champ. I don't mind the fact that Pac has a win, and draw against Marquez, what I find most disturbing is that from 3 fights, only the guy that had big money fights lined up ahead of him got the nod over the guy that most thought had pretty clearly won two of those fights. 3rd fight, Pac arguably only won about 3 rounds, yet his fight with Mayweather got him the win. As Arum told Marquez afterward in the ring "It's not personal, it's just business".

You also have Chris John and Freddie Norwood on the list of fighters that really didn't deserve a W against him.

Either way, that's a long list of fighters who were champions that Marquez beat that people forget about.

best post in this entire thread

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The real issue is, Marquez has maybe two losses against a great fighter that should've been considered wins. But we can't count them as wins, can we? Well, we do for Pea-Chavez but that was a blatant robbery. Then again...ehh.

[Elotero]

Trinidad...


all JMM has is 3 close non-wins against PAC and getting his ass kicked by Floyd

Cheato? The guy who was undefeated before Hopkins had him rewrap his hands?

They're close but IMO it comes down to who stayed at the top levels longer.

I will say this though, they have about the same chin.

[turbotime]

Trinidad also retired after losing. At least Marquez kept trying.

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Trinidad also retired after losing. At least Marquez kept trying.

You don't get bonus points for that. Trinidad went on a notorious run prior to retirement. Quite frankly, he deserved it.