Who will go down as the greater fighter Juan Manuel Marquez or Tito Trinidad?

[4Corners]

Exactly, Trinidad has more defenses at welterweight, than Marquez has in all weights combined.

The reason they're even compring both fighters is based on Marquez's performances against Pacquiao, cause if you rationally think about it., Marquez's best wins are either against past prime versions of Barrera and Casamayor, or Juan Diaz.

The reason people underrated Felix was because a lot of those defenses were against guys that weren't Top 10 WW's at the time. Also, the De La Hoya controversy and he only beat a way past it inactive Whitaker coming off a loss and a draw.

It's close. If someone were to favor Marquez, they'd definitely have to take into account that he should have wins over Norwood and John, and at the very least 1 over Pacquiao. And they'd have to be taking into account that Felix arguably lost to De La Hoya.

It's close. Felis still has a solid resume. He beat Camacho, Carr, Campas, Vargas, Joppy, etc. And he did beat Oscar in a close fight, though I had Oscar winning 7-5 when I re-watched it over and over again. I just couldn't give Felix that fight, Oscar fought ****** the last 3 rounds, but he won more rounds in that fight.

This was a good question.

People always say aside from the controversies, Marquez has a s**t resume, which isn't true.

He did beat Derrick Gainer, who hadn't lost since losing to Diego Corrales 3 years earlier and when Gainer was coming off beating Norwood and Polo. He did beat Orlando Salido, who's turned out to be a damn good fighter. He did beat Victor Polo, who was a Top 10 FW at the time. He struggled with a past prime Barrera, but MAB was still ranked high at 130 and had beaten Ayala, Morales, Peden, and Juarez (when he was a legit fighter) going into the Marquez fight. And Casamayor was not completely past it when Marquez beat him, he was past his prime-still good and was the RING LW champ. He hadn't lost since the Castillo fight 4 years earlier and was coming off beating Corrales, Cruz, and Katsidis (when Katsidis was a legit fight) going into the Marquez fight. And he did beat Juan Diaz, who was a Top 10 LW at the time.

You have to also take into account that he was robbed against Norwood and John, and should have 1-2 wins over Manny Pacquiao.

[Verstyle]

I'd say Marquez but I love Tito also. All I can think of is that wicked left hook of Trinidad's.

[Cardinal Buck]

The reason people underrated Felix was because a lot of those defenses were against guys that weren't Top 10 WW's at the time. Also, the De La Hoya controversy and he only beat a way past it inactive Whitaker coming off a loss and a draw.

It's close. If someone were to favor Marquez, they'd definitely have to take into account that he should have wins over Norwood and John, and at the very least 1 over Pacquiao. And they'd have to be taking into account that Felix arguably lost to De La Hoya.

It's close. Felis still has a solid resume. He beat Camacho, Carr, Campas, Vargas, Joppy, etc. And he did beat Oscar in a close fight, though I had Oscar winning 7-5 when I re-watched it over and over again. I just couldn't give Felix that fight, Oscar fought ****** the last 3 rounds, but he won more rounds in that fight.

This was a good question.

People always say aside from the controversies, Marquez has a s**t resume, which isn't true.

He did beat Derrick Gainer, who hadn't lost since losing to Diego Corrales 3 years earlier and when Gainer was coming off beating Norwood and Polo. He did beat Orlando Salido, who's turned out to be a damn good fighter. He did beat Victor Polo, who was a Top 10 FW at the time. He struggled with a past prime Barrera, but MAB was still ranked high at 130 and had beaten Ayala, Morales, Peden, and Juarez (when he was a legit fighter) going into the Marquez fight. And Casamayor was not completely past it when Marquez beat him, he was past his prime-still good and was the RING LW champ. He hadn't lost since the Castillo fight 4 years earlier and was coming off beating Corrales, Cruz, and Katsidis (when Katsidis was a legit fight) going into the Marquez fight. And he did beat Juan Diaz, who was a Top 10 LW at the time.

You have to also take into account that he was robbed against Norwood and John, and should have 1-2 wins over Manny Pacquiao.

I love Casamayor, but he lost to Cruz. That win by Marquez isn't quite like you're painting it.

[4Corners]

I love Casamayor, but he lost to Cruz. That win by Marquez isn't quite like you're painting it.

It was a controversial fight, I still feel Williams-Lara and Abril-Rios was worse though. All I'm saying is that Casamayor could still fight in 2008 and was the RING LW champion. That wasn't a bad win.

[BennyST]

Marquez by a touch, as much as die to the fact that when he moved up he won the lineal title, fought the best, and should also have now been a 4 division welterweight champion whilst beating the number 1 P4P. Tito got knocked out in his similar attempt at that kind of greatness. Marquwz surpassed it with flying colours and was robbed through politics and greed.

Just think for one moment if Marquez got his deserved decision. This wouldn't even be questionable. The only reason people are questioning it is because of backroom corruption.

Marquez also has a lot more excellent champs and top fighters on his resume than many think.

Champs: Julio Gervacio (WBA SBW champ)
Orlando Salido (2x current FW champ)
Agapito Sanchez (SBW champ and Pac's only other draw)
Alfred Kotey (BW champ)
Robbie Peden (SFW champ)
Manuel Medina (5 or 6 time champion and FW great)
Derrick Gainer (multiple champ)
I'm going to throw in Victor Polo, because that fight should have been for the Undisputed FW title. Polo had been brutally robbed against Scotto Harrison, the other champion, and so Marauez fought Polo instead of Harrison as that was the guy that was considered the 'real' other champ at the weight at the time. As always, people look back and only see a BS draw instead of Polo being the champion and Marquez missing out on his Undisputed claim. Disgrace. That fight was nearly as bad as Abril/Rios. He was also screwed in his only other title fight outside his country (of course) when the ref ruled an obvious slip against him on the opponents corners towel being left on the ring apron. It literally lost him the fight and title. Poor bastard.
Terdsak Jandaeng (WBC SFW title)
Marco A. Barrera
Rocky Juarez (I'm putting him in here because he was clearly a top flight fighter when Marquez fought him)
Joel Casamayor (lineal SFW and LW titlist)
Juan Diaz (unified LW champ)
Katsidis (ATG legend!)

You also have his two 'losses' to Pac. Despite 80-90% of people believing he pretty clearly one either or both of those fights, it was only the money fighter that got the nods. The third fight was clearly a Marquez win, which should have lead him to being one of the very few fighter in history to jump from 135 to 147 and beat the top flight P4P 1 champ. I don't mind the fact that Pac has a win, and draw against Marquez, what I find most disturbing is that from 3 fights, only the guy that had big money fights lined up ahead of him got the nod over the guy that most thought had pretty clearly won two of those fights. 3rd fight, Pac arguably only won about 3 rounds, yet his fight with Mayweather got him the win. As Arum told Marquez afterward in the ring "It's not personal, it's just business".

You also have Chris John and Freddie Norwood on the list of fighters that really didn't deserve a W against him.

Either way, that's a long list of fighters who were champions that Marquez beat that people forget about.

[Cardinal Buck]

It was a controversial fight, but it wasn't some highway robbery like last night or anything. All I'm saying is that Casamayor could still fight in 2008 and was the RING LW champion. That wasn't a bad win.

I think it was a highway robbery. I'm pretty sure that's what most agree with here.

[4Corners]

I think it was a highway robbery. I'm pretty sure that's what most agree with here.

I thought Cruz won as well, should have been a wide UD. I still feel that wasn;t that bad of a win for JMM and that the decision last night, as well as Williams-Lara was worse.

[Light_Speed]

What are you 14???

The guy beat Campas,Oscar, Oba Carr, Whitaker, Vargas, among others great fighters.

You are just a hater and that includes all of you that voted for Marquez

No he didn't.

[Bushbaby]

Marquez is easily a greater fighter. But Tito was great in his own right.

[IMDAZED]

Marquez may be the greater fighter but I'm not convinced he should be ranked ahead of Trinidad.