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  • Taylorslade
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    #91
    Originally posted by Stop
    Bahaha little racist bitch hope you enjoy your final hours on NSB. In the end Pacquiao has the win and Marquez doesn't. And three times LOL! Check compubox, and then check Marquez' face and check the scorecards. Then check this and get Ether'd along with you ban.

    Kevin Cunningham, Boxing Trainer: Draw
    Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Glen Anglin, ************.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
    James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Anthony Lee, ************.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    John McCormick, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/*********.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Danny Serratelli, ********Boxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
    Scott Shaffer, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Jason Peck, ********Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
    Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Stephen Edwards, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ben Weisman, ************.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Madra Uladh, ********Boxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
    "Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Greg Leon, **********.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Darrell La Montre, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
    Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao

    None of the above scores for Pacquiao or a draw is from Philippine media/boxers.
    The vast majority of those people suffer from the same disease that has went around boxing for quite some time now....they place FAR too much emphasis on a guy who comes forward, even if he isn't doing anything. Just because you are moving forward, it doesn't mean you are controlling the fight. Manny was a puppy on a leash, simple as that. It's not a skill on it's own if you aren't getting to where you need to be.

    Most of those who scored it for Pacquiao also were the same people who predicted an early blowout for him, even though they had already had two tough fights with eachother before, and the reason they predicted that result was on the basis of a size difference which -Suprise Suprise- didn't even exist in the reality of the fight. So with a few minor exceptions, those above should be completley discarded.

    The actual judges who came up with the official verdict, whether they realised it or not, place far too much emphasis on one man simply moving forward, which is ok if the other guy does nothing....unlike Marquez, who made Manny Pacquiao once again look like a novice by using the same counter-punching combinations he did in the two previous fights (which by the way, are all specific to Pacquiao,meaning that they wouldn't work on most fighters, thats the accuracy and skill of Marquez) and the same simple movement which Shane Mosley used to survive, even though he couldn't do anything else, but Pacquiao still couldnt figure it out for himself.

    Im not hating on Manny, but I've been in boxing my whole life, and unlike most of the Pacquiao faithful, my love and interest for boxing does not depend and centre on and around Manny Pacquiao's winning streak.

    He lost the third fight with Marquez (at least). He hasn't changed much since the second fight with JMM either , get over it.
    Last edited by Taylorslade; 04-08-2012, 06:55 AM.

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    • Kannabis Kid
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      #92
      Lol Stop and Toyman are like the PRBOXINGCOTTOs of the Phillipines, I cant believe how ****** you two are, Pacquiao can use lateral movement against Ricky Hatton to counter him and KO him and hes a god, same with Antonio Margarito but when Marquez does it he is all of a sudden a back peddler? get your stories straight you hypocrites. Whatever it takes to defend the queen of the phillipines you all will do, I know he is your beloved country man and you should support him, but as a fan of the sport of boxing, you should also know when to take a loss.

      Pacquiao did most of the damage to Marquez face with headbutts, so stop using his "dis configured" face as a logical explanation as to why Pac was given the victory.Lol if this was the case then Cotto should be given props for giving Pac Cauliflower ear and a busted up eye and Clottey should have won a UD even though he threw the fight because Pacquiao was more busted up than Marquez was. Lol its funny you all consider that punishment to Marquez a little swelling around the eyes on a 38 year old man who has been in wars and has heavy scar tissue in those areas already. Everyone know pac was only given the win because if Marquez won then Pacquiaos steam would have faded, along with the dream fight that everyone wants to see. You all are really in denial and it sucks that these are the people who represent Manny.

      Pacquiao is one-dimensional he had a great run beating up on handicapped fighters, and when he tried to handicap JMM by making him fight at a catchweight like everyone else he fights, it turned against him, because someone with simliar speed and timing along with superior boxing skills will always beat manny. Morales was able to do it, Marquez has done it 2 times(I give the first fight to Manny even though Marquez came back strong to bust his ass up and apparently that wins fights in the Asian-Pacific region), and if he ever mans up to Mayweather it will happen again.

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      • dawge
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        #93
        Originally posted by Kannabis Kid
        Lol Stop and Toyman are like the PRBOXINGCOTTOs of the Phillipines, I cant believe how ****** you two are, Pacquiao can use lateral movement against Ricky Hatton to counter him and KO him and hes a god, same with Antonio Margarito but when Marquez does it he is all of a sudden a back peddler? get your stories straight you hypocrites. Whatever it takes to defend the queen of the phillipines you all will do, I know he is your beloved country man and you should support him, but as a fan of the sport of boxing, you should also know when to take a loss.

        Pacquiao did most of the damage to Marquez face with headbutts, so stop using his "dis configured" face as a logical explanation as to why Pac was given the victory.Lol if this was the case then Cotto should be given props for giving Pac Cauliflower ear and a busted up eye and Clottey should have won a UD even though he threw the fight because Pacquiao was more busted up than Marquez was. Lol its funny you all consider that punishment to Marquez a little swelling around the eyes on a 38 year old man who has been in wars and has heavy scar tissue in those areas already. Everyone know pac was only given the win because if Marquez won then Pacquiaos steam would have faded, along with the dream fight that everyone wants to see. You all are really in denial and it sucks that these are the people who represent Manny.

        Pacquiao is one-dimensional he had a great run beating up on handicapped fighters, and when he tried to handicap JMM by making him fight at a catchweight like everyone else he fights, it turned against him, because someone with simliar speed and timing along with superior boxing skills will always beat manny. Morales was able to do it, Marquez has done it 2 times(I give the first fight to Manny even though Marquez came back strong to bust his ass up and apparently that wins fights in the Asian-Pacific region), and if he ever mans up to Mayweather it will happen again.
        well said primo

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        • tomhawq
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          #94
          harold lederman scored it to pac. three official judges gave it to pac. compubox computed pac outscored marquez. what in heaven's name do lederman, three judges and computer get for awarding the fight to pac? tell me exactly.

          millions of fans who originally thought jmm won are now singing a different tune. man, when are these sore losers going to give up? how can you even win a fight just by fighting backwards with no intent of going for the kill? it's statistically and logically impossible. it even sounds ******.

          see this is the result treating two fighters with different standards. the one have always been referred to as a one-dimensional, easy-to-hit come-forward boxer. he's really overrated. he fought nothing but weight-drained, out-of-prime fighters. YET he is expected to fight like superman. in contrast, his opponent is referred to as highly skilled, won the two previous fights, and all that crap. YET he's just expected to do enough to survive. prior to the fight he promised to ko pac and win decisively. man, how tf can you win by fighting backwards? it's ******.

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          • dawge
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            #95
            Originally posted by kamikaze_ero
            Marquez threw some sollid punches??????what????the damage face of Marquez and the one who had the better punches output and effectiveness as per Compubox, says it all as to who who landed the much solid punches....its
            was Pacman....
            WHATT!! So you telling me then that u think that the third fight was decided by compubox nubmers!? So, didn't Marquez outbox pac with higher stats in both first two fights according to compubox?

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            • dawge
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              #96
              Originally posted by Paranormal
              What a delusional post, moronic, senseless. What? so you are telling us how to understand and accept defeat? Wtf you are talking here brothah? It's Marquez and you and the rest of Marquez fans ought to be gentlemen enough to understand and learn how to accept defeat no matter how it really hurts. Marquez has never defeated Pac, period. All that he got was a gift from the ****** judge that scored round 1 10-7 in first fight instead of 10-6. And the truth of the matter is that in the third fight as the world saw it was that Pac outworked and out-landed Marquez and the judges and the compubox saw it, and Marquez's face after the fight confirmed it. Marquez better that Pac? youre not a boxing fan youre just a Pac hater. Sorry dude all Marquez can do is to get an "almost" win against Pac and even if they fight a hundred times its the closest he could get. To be better than Pac Marquez must not just beat Pac but he has to storm through the WW divisions and not only beat but destroy all fighters worst than Manny did to them. Marquez is supposed to be better right? and he is bigger than Pac right? so he can easily do it right? Hahahahaahah get-off the hate Hijo your hate will consume you.
              Max Kellerman : " No matter how great a fighter and how great his resume, the way a guy looks as good as Pacquiao, is always a result of good matchmaking, not to diminish Pacquiao's accomplishments, but he's been matched very well against big but usually aging or faded fighters.The last time he fought a great fighter in or around that fighter's mind, was Juan Manuel Marquez... "

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              • dawge
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                #97
                Originally posted by Stop
                Bahaha little racist bitch hope you enjoy your final hours on NSB. In the end Pacquiao has the win and Marquez doesn't. And three times LOL! Check compubox, and then check Marquez' face and check the scorecards. Then check this and get Ether'd along with you ban.

                Kevin Cunningham, Boxing Trainer: Draw
                Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
                Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
                Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
                Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
                Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
                Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
                Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Glen Anglin, ************.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
                Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
                Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
                James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
                Anthony Lee, ************.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
                John McCormick, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/*********.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Danny Serratelli, ********Boxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
                Scott Shaffer, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
                Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Jason Peck, ********Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
                Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
                Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Stephen Edwards, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
                Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Ben Weisman, ************.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
                Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
                Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Madra Uladh, ********Boxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
                Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
                "Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
                Greg Leon, **********.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
                Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
                Darrell La Montre, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
                Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
                Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao

                None of the above scores for Pacquiao or a draw is from Philippine media/boxers.
                Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
                - Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
                - Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
                - Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
                - Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
                - Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
                - Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
                - Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
                - Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
                - Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
                - Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
                - Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
                - Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
                - DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
                - Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
                - Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
                - Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
                - Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
                - Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
                - Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
                - Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
                - William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
                - Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
                - Bert Sugar:Marquez
                - Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
                - Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
                - Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
                - Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
                - Andrew Walker, ********boxing.com:115-114 Marquez
                - Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
                - Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
                - Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin:114-114 Draw
                - Harold Lederman, HBO:115-112 Pacquiao
                - Michael Herron, ********boxing.com:Pacquiao
                - Paul Strauss, ********boxing.com:Pacquiao
                - Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
                - Nick Alejo, PhilBoxing,com:114-113 Pacquiao
                - Hermie Rivera, PhilBoxing.com:Pacquiao
                - Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com:114-113 Pacquiao
                - Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Pacquiao
                - John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin:115-113 Pacquiao

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                • Hallaqsillaq
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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Toyman
                  its worth mentioning that dave moretti and glenn trowbridge are 2 of the best and most experienced judges in the world. so you know when they both agree pacquiao won, it means pacquiao won.
                  Nonsense. It means they are also long time members of Arum's payroll.

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                  • Kannabis Kid
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by pacfan
                    harold lederman scored it to pac. three official judges gave it to pac. compubox computed pac outscored marquez. what in heaven's name do lederman, three judges and computer get for awarding the fight to pac? tell me exactly.

                    millions of fans who originally thought jmm won are now singing a different tune. man, when are these sore losers going to give up? how can you even win a fight just by fighting backwards with no intent of going for the kill? it's statistically and logically impossible. it even sounds ******.

                    see this is the result treating two fighters with different standards. the one have always been referred to as a one-dimensional, easy-to-hit come-forward boxer. he's really overrated. he fought nothing but weight-drained, out-of-prime fighters. YET he is expected to fight like superman. in contrast, his opponent is referred to as highly skilled, won the two previous fights, and all that crap. YET he's just expected to do enough to survive. prior to the fight he promised to ko pac and win decisively. man, how tf can you win by fighting backwards? it's ******.

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                    • Carpe Diem
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                      #100
                      It looks like Stop is going to be the first poster to dethrone Check_hooks to become the newest ultimate troll on NSB.

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