Pacquiao doesn't get enough credit for Marquez fights

[Toyman]

Yes I did. The third fight seems to be the one everyone is complaining about yet it has the least margin of even being considered a "robbery". They say Marquez is a good counter puncher with a good defense, but I only see the counter puncher part. He defends punches with his head and steps on Pac's feet to throw him off balance. Again, check compubox, Pac beat JMM 3 times.

I agree, pac did beat marquez 3 times - the problem is most people here cant score a fight properly- which is why none of these people have been able to present a credible scorecard

facts are, back pedalling all night long is not impressive

what is also not impressive, is when you back pedal and your face still manages to look like this







marquez is a good boxer, but hes not in pac's league - imo, pac has beaten him all 3 times, and all 3 times by at least 3 points.

[Bermuda]

So, you're saying Pac should be credit for waiting for JMM to age to then rematch him, not one... but two times?! With the third fight he even went to great lengths bringing him up to a weight he thought JMM couldn't compete in considering his last fight there he got blown out in.

Yeah I give Pac great credit.

pac wanted the rematch with marquez immediately after the first fight...it was marquez's fault that didn't happen because he priced himself out...and instead decided to fight chris john for less than what he would have got against an immediate rematch with pac.

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Alex Ariza "Not even God can help Marquez!"

Yeah, Pac should be given lots of credit.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Pac has Marquez's number down easily. This so called "counter puncher" has a style that should be tailor made for Pac but the old man can't ever get it down. He will never win if he doesn't at least attempt to be aggressive instead of only countering and still getting knocked down multiple times and still having compubox favoring Pacquiao.

You just contradicted yourself. If the old man is aggressive, then he doesn't win or is even competitive.....lol

That's the whole point.

[RichCCFC]

AGreed, but if you consider manny was huge favorite in each, he made him wait for rematches, and had the weight advantage in the 3rd fight, I think those factors mitigate "respect" for some people.

He was a huge favorite but Margarito was a huge favorite against Mosley too and Pavlik vs Hopkins, most of the time the odds are ****. I thought he'd win the most recent one but I knew it would be close again, my friend bought the hype for example and thought it was dangerous fight and shouldn't be allowed (for Marquez's safety).

In the most recent fight Marquez weighed 150 fight night and Pacquiao 148, they are roughly the same size.

[DLT]

Im always unbiased. I thought Pac won both of the first 2 fights by 1 point. Watching the 3rd fight live I thought JMM completely owned him. This was after me thinking before the fight of 2 things. I always said on these boards that JMM was better at a higher weight than people think. Its just that he fought his worst matchup in boxing in Floyd. I also said that JMM would give Pac hell no matter what weight they fought at.

Still, as the fight got closer I put those thoughts on the backburner and was hoping that Pac would win be devastating KO to make the Floyd fight bigger, even though I like JMM more. I think that may have swayed my opinion. When I watched it back I had it alot closer although now I dont remember who I had winning. Couldve went either way. 1 or 2pt win to JMM, same to Pac, or a draw.

I still kinda disagree with the TS though. Just because other guys didnt give people a rematch after a close win, doesnt mean that Pac should get extra credit for it. He shouldve gave JMM a rematch. He had to do it the 2nd time because the 1st fight was scored a draw. The 3rd fight he mostly only did it because he thought he had improved a ton and was much bigger & stronger than JMM now. I wont give him any extra credit for those decisions

[AssasinKing]

So, you're saying Pac should be credit for waiting for JMM to age to then rematch him, not one... but two times?! With the third fight he even went to great lengths bringing him up to a weight he thought JMM couldn't compete in considering his last fight there he got blown out in.

Yeah I give Pac great credit.

Freddie Roach "Marquez' age makes him slower and the added bulk will slow Marquez even more for Manny and make things much easier for him. This fight will not go six!"

Yeah, Pac should get a lot of credit.

Funny how people will use a quote from roach like its all true, then they will talk about how much **** he talks all the time, yet when they hear what they want to hear...its all good

Also, wtf? Age and decline?

The only person that beat marquez in how many years convincingly is mayweather.....your acting like pac didnt beat him in his 'prime'

[Toyman]

pac wanted the rematch with marquez immediately after the first fight...it was marquez's fault that didn't happen because he priced himself out...and instead decided to fight chris john for less than what he would have got against an immediate rematch with pac.

thats the ironic part..marquez asked for more than 50% of the purse against pac


fast forward 8 years later, pac is consistently selling 1 million ppvs, marquez is consistently selling 0

[RichCCFC]

pac wanted the rematch with marquez immediately after the first fight...it was marquez's fault that didn't happen because he priced himself out...and instead decided to fight chris john for less than what he would have got against an immediate rematch with pac.

This....

often forgotten on these boards.

Alex Ariza "Not even God can help Marquez!"

Yeah, Pac should be given lots of credit.

Alex Ariza says a lot of ****** ****, it's called hyping up his fighter. Giving him confidence, he said similar things for Khan recently vs Peterson like he'd destroy him in 3 rounds and Linares too.

[TheMexicutioner]

Pacquiao won all 3 fights. He won the 3rd fight 8 rounds to 4. People only wish Marquez won because he was the underdog.